May 10th, 2006
|01:56 am - Do You Smell Bacon?|
Last year's FinaleCon was tophatter2 coming over to my house with store-bought snickerdoodles. This year's was a more extravagant affair.
In attendance were cadhla, porpentine, harriettheelf, holly96, and beeker121, all of crashing ivyisgilgamesh's sister's place. First, we had pizza and discussed theatre mishaps throughout the years. Then we watched the Glimore Girls finale and ate cookes brought by holly96 and made by harriettheelf, who also brought snickerdoodles to watch during the Veronica Mars finale. Afterwards, we watched a bit of South Park and discussed comics.
beeker121 gives ridiculously good hugs. The kind you savor afterwards.
I thought last year's finale was action-packed and intense. That was nothing compared to this. Holy Christ. My heart was pounding. My breathing was heavy. I was sweating. That was one hell of a ride. My props to Kretchmer.
From the very beginning, even the previouslies, you could tell they were going all out in this episode, really striving to raise the bar and make the episode stand out. The previouslies were cut together at lightning speed with flashy whooshes between each piece of key information. The transition between Aaron's pose outside the courtroom and the zoom out of his picture in the paper was sweet. There was another stylish transition for the dream sequence, which went on a bit long but was still nice for the alternate reality effect. Lianne! Duncan and Dick being friends! Wallace never even meeting Veronica! Lilly!! The life Veronica could have had.
Graduation! Aw, John Enbom and Phil Klemmer graduated. Heh. And fuck you, Lamb! Weevil was this close. That was sad. And hee to the Veronica/Clemmons scene. Who leaves their passwords on the bottom of their stapler?
"A pony?!" Heeee. Also: Alicia! Who really, really looks better with her old hair.
It's very funny that Woody is watching The Dukes of Hazzard for some reason. But someone needs to tell the foley guy that boxers don't have zippers. I loved that Woody attacked Keith with a stuffed deer head. I also liked that they didn't just make him a creepy child molester but gave him twisted motivations. Yeah, Woody, you cared for them in ways their dads wouldn't. WITH YOUR PENIS.
Most everyone had figured out that the titular "Not Pictured" was none other than Cassidy Casablancas, but Veronica is so surprised that she goes all Vertigo on us. And in the space of a millisecond makes the leap from "Beaver was molested by Woody" to "Beaver crashed the bus to kill Peter and Marcos and thus keep them from exposing him." Veronica, you took a tiny step, and there conclusions were, but God, do you have a good sense of direction.
And now it's a race against time, for the fact that Beaver killed a busload of kids to protect himself means that he will kill Mac...for no reason whatsoever. I mean, yeah, I wouldn't want my friends hanging out with a mass murderer either, but does Veronica have any reason to suspect that she's in any immediate danger? She's been with Beaver for a long time before then and been totally safe.
On the way, we get a fucking creepy Aaron/Veronica elevator scene in which Aaron unequivocally states that he killed Lilly with a vorpal ashtray (so how did they get Lilly's blood on the Oscar? Ah, well), so no more doubt, reasonable or otherwise!''
And then we get to the climactic rooftop scene full of Veronica exposition over blue flashbacks, and this is where the episode makes or breaks itself, pretty much. Now, the prevailing suspect in fandom has been Beaver for months now, I think (props to ladydisdain225, who I thought was off her rocker when she first presented the theory), and people have made such convincing arguments (eirefaerie in particular) that I was actually going to be disappointed if it wasn't Beaver, because he worked so well.
Now, I think they took him way, way too far. Present-day Beaver went from cute to psychopath in two seconds, which was something I complained about last year. Eventually, I made my peace with Aaron's behavior as that of someone who had been backed into a corner and had to act to defend himself. I think it will take more to make my peace with Beaver's behavior because for most of the rooftop scene, he was downright eeeeeevil. Kyle played it well and convincingly, that's for sure, but it didn't feel right for the character. I mean, for starters, why the bloody fuck was he carrying a gun to the post-graduation party?
And then let's talk about the Beaver of the past, the one we never really saw until now. The Beaver who was hesitant to go public with Woody's perversion notwithstanding; that was very much in-character. I liked that the editing out of his own voice served the dual purpose of keeping his anonymity and eliminating a dissenting voice, which would rather weaken the "kill incorporation or else" message. But what of this other Beaver, so ruthless that he would accrue such collateral casualties to silence two single voices? That he would run a man over and ram his body off a cliff? Even when I agreed with the Beaver theories, I never thought he killed Curly. I suppose that once you engineer a bus crash, you have to kill anyone who would rat you out. And speaking of, we never did find out who put the rat on the bus, did we? Hello, spy pen! Wait, no, Sally is the spy pen. No, Grace Manning is the spy pen! There are probably more spy pens I'm not thinking of. Anyway, very cool that the Hart appearance last week was not just for shits and giggles, and I'll bet the writers are damn glad they had him making a war movie last season because that plot point wouldn't have worked in a romantic comedy. Unless it was called, like, Blow Up My Love.
As if making Beaver a remorseless killer weren't enough, he also turns out to be a frickin' rapist. Again, too far, farther than I imagined when I agreed that Beaver was the best candidate for the bus crash culprit. And it really doesn't sit well with me because, as I said to jeeperstseepers feared this very development (and may I say, it was both strange and strangely gratifying to see so many people's theories be spot-on...unless it was because everyone was influence by spoilers, in which case I hate you fucking whores), I really don't like messing with Beaver in ATTTD because I doubt the writers had any idea about his possible molestation. I don't like going back and rewriting text we've already seen when that text would not be that way had the writers had the information they're rewriting with back then. You can never see the text the same way again. And the thing is, this was completely unnecessary. Beaver crashed the bus! The mystery is solved! What reason is there to throw this into the pot? Take the chlamydia out of the equation and nothing is affected. I have this feeling the writers were trying to make it up to the people who weren't happy with the ATTTD resolution of a not-rape. You want Veronica to have been raped? Well, here you go! And if you're particularly malicious, you can consider her to have been raped twice. (Me, I think Veronica and Duncan were both victims of circumstance.) I don't see the reason for this. It makes people think he raped Mac ("He took everything from me."). The only saving grace is that it keeps the chlamydia plot from revealing that Meg slept with Lucky.
I think Rob and the writers overcompensated in keeping suspicion away from Beaver. I can hardly reconcile the psychotic Beaver on the rooftop with the Beaver we've seen all season. I feel like they deliberately hid the subtext. I'm not saying it came completely out of left field because the boy clearly had issues, and he wasn't all sweetness and light. I do think they reworked his character for the second season from how they played him at the end of the first season (note that "Leave It to Beaver" was kicked off by Beaver's revealing a secret he had sworn to take to the grave, and "Not Pictured" reveals that he had a Secret of his own), but that's understandable, given that he was introduced late.
Why hadn't Beaver tried to kill Woody until now? I still can't figure everything out. But, look, explosion in the sky! Man, they're blowing all their budget here. And I will say that we did fear Keith may have died. Yes, we denied it because we never saw Keith get on the plane, but the intensity of the episode and the depths of darkness they were plunging into made it seem like all fucking bets were off.
Tasering Veronica is not cool! Shooting at Logan is kind of cool! I think he should have gotten shot. Wounded, that is.
And then Veronica's pointing a gun! It's the S1 finale all over again! And she thinks her dad is dead, and boy oh boy is she ready to pull that trigger, and holy shit, Logan is doing that thing where you tell the trigger-happy marshmallow that she's not that kind of person, and oh my God, he's going to shoot him for her, isn't he.
But no. Beaver now has nothing to live for. "My name is Cassidy," he says, and that there, that vulnerability is what was missing from the rest of the rooftop confrontation. That is such an essential part of his character, and it's what greys him up, even now. And he falls, a lonely angel.
Keith's alive! We cheered. "I love you so much!" It's the S1 finale all over again! I swear, Kristen gave the exact same delivery of that line as she did last year. And how fucking awesome is it that Lamb's enormous ego saved Keith's life?
And aaaah! Real Echolls! Who of course would watch one of his own movies. As he is executed by CLARENCE FUCKING WIEDMAN. Cheers all around.
And then...Duncan! IN AUSTRALIA! Rob said the finale would span continents! And...oh my God! Duncan ordered the hit! "Duncan, you rule!" I shouted at the TV. "You're totally awesome!" Others agreed that he had just redeemed himself. He loves his dead sister so much. And I didn't even pick up on the meta the first time, but haaaa, "CW?" DK would call him that. "It's a done deal." It better be!
Blah blah blah Jackie and Wallace. Although I think they ended Jackie's story nicely. It explained a lot about her character, and it completed her arc. Now...don't come back. Wallace, you can do better. Leave her be. She has a kid. You don't need to be her baby daddy.
Hey, look, Logan and Veronica are magically making out again so that the 'shippers don't have a fit all summer.
Hey, look, Kendall has Marcellus Wallace's soul in a briefcase. Which is enough to make Keith stand up his own daughter at the airport. And...no! That can't be the end! That cannot be the end of the series! I mean, by making Beaver the Ultimate Evil, they wrapped up most of the storylines, but...Keith! Veronica! Physically and perhaps metaphorically separated! No!
So. Overall, I think it was a pretty fantastic episode. It was exhausting, draining, visceral as hell, and I much prefer that to the mehness I've felt after some episodes this season. As a resolution to the season-long mystery, it was flawed, though the pieces were all there. It stayed true to its noir roots with an emphasis on deep, dark secrets and the lengths to which people will go in order to keep them. I think Beaver was a good kid to begin with. But he was driven to do very bad things, which ultimately led to his downfall. Quite literally.
Afterward, we all tried to recover, and I called Rob to leave a message. I let him hear the reaction of the Bay Area FinaleCon, which was a combination of "AAAAAAHH!!!" and "Wow!" I then babbled on about how intense and exciting it was, and I babbled some more about things I can't remember, as is my tendency to do when leaving voicemails. I wanted to babble to raelee next, though, so I ended the message on this note:
"And Cervando killed Felix. Just so you know."
Current Mood: exhausted
Current Music: Prodigy - Their Law
I just have two words for the Beaver change. MASKED IDENTITIES. They were working up to this ALL FLIPPIN' SEASON. So I can buy the EVIL Beaver on the rooftop. Because he was a) telling lies to live and b) making false identities to mask the real ones. Themes we've dealt with heavily all year. The character even has TWO NAMES. Talk about the dictotomy of character!
But Cervando has THREE LAST NAMES!!! TRICHOTOMY WOOOO.
I kept expecting Keith to show up in that last scene. I mean, he wouldn't ditch Veronica just for a shitload of money, right? There has to be something up, something more important. And! he would call her! Or maybe he shows up afterward.
I guess CW stood for two more things today: Cloud Watchers and Clarence Fucking Wiedman. Or wait, that would be CFW.
Definitely don't think there was money in the case. My current theory, based on nearly nothing, is that it's Aaron's other Oscar, she's going to confess she helped him "frame" Duncan, and ... well, I don't know what else. But it's still my theory!
Great recap, spectralbovine. Mostly I felt the same way, except that I kind of liked that Beaver raped V. Not that he did it, you know, but that it turned out that way. I guess I like the piling on of things! Wait, that's not what I meant!
I love how you just drop in there that you called Rob. Bragger. ;P
DAMN all the spy pens!!
I still don't see why Duncan had to be redeemed at all, but hey. If it gets more people liking him, I'm all for it. ::snort::
And.. yes. That is apparently all I have to say.
I don't really have a problem with Cassidy being suddenly evil. That's the point. It's supposed to be shocking. That's life. I mean we knew he was sort of genious and shady like when he started the real estate company with Kendall. And we've seen flashes of his anger. I agree with what zimshan said. He was probably trying to hide his true nature from even himself. He was obviously mentally disturbed, and I think Rob used the Mac and Beaver ship to distract everyone.
That made no sense and no point, but oh well.
No, it made sense and had a point!
Last night I was pretty much in the wow and okay field. I can see the faults everyone has focused on and I agree - Beaver did need a little graying but I really feel zimshan is right - it was more of the two faces of evil. Sometimes when you're hiding yourself and get comfortable in the role, it becomes such a radical shock when you stop playing it. To me, it was Beaver was unmasked and now- he doesn't need to play a role anymore. And he just basically said and did everything he has been hiding and lying about.
I just felt they had a lot to shoehorn in and some areas did feel rushed but overall last night I was all wow and they went there and okay then.
I'm just hoping the done deal really is done. They can't leave us all confuzzled about Keith and Veronica.
I really don't like messing with Beaver in ATTTD because I doubt the writers had any idea about his possible molestation. I don't like going back and rewriting text we've already seen when that text would not be that way had the writers had the information they're rewriting with back then.
See, me? I'm the opposite. To me, there was always something unresolved about ATttD. Not in that it felt like a cop-out that Veronica wasn't raped, because it didn't, but in that we got so many different POV's for overlapping scenes in that ep, but for the time when Beaver was alone in the room with her, we had only his version, and that has bugged ever since. It's not that I "knew" he raped her, or even necessarily that there was something shady going on, but the discrepancies and inconsistencies in everyone else's different version of events they both witnessed made the part of the story we only had Beaver's word for-- sketchy, in my mind. Not fully real. And the fact that they revisited that one thin place in the evening, the one that humble viewers like myself maybe had some niggling, subconscious wondering about, and made it THE BIGGEST FUCKING DAMN FUCKED UP LIE-- that, to me, kicks so many different directions of ass.
Also, I have to say that I, personally, feel totally vindicated for having been vaguely creeped out by Beaver ever since his introduction as a character. He's just so damn... furtive. He always looked to me like he was peering out from behind a tree that he carried with him everywhere he went. I guess others read that as "adorably shy and damaged" and are all sad to lose their adorable widdle Beavy, but I read it as "danger, Will Robinson" and I was right, HA. Not that I put together, or even necessarily noticed, any of the complex and copious clues that y'all and Veronica did, but I did peg the Beav as a skeezy little stoat.
Anyway, I am an easy viewer. I am all, "WAAAAAAH KEITH AND VERONICA AND LOGAN AND SCHNUGGLES AND... spy pen, what spy pen?"
What she said. I totally bought that ATttD was meant to be unresolved, except for a few key facts (Duncan & Veronica had sex - Dick is wildly inappropriate - and Madison Sinclair is a stone cold beeyotch).
Oh, here's a question: I know I was the one who pointed out that Duncan called Weidman "CW," but what's the significance there?
A big "Hee!" from me at the "A pony!" line. And also to the CW bit.
I was amused that even Veronica's subconscious luuuuurves Logan. I actually liked the length of the dream sequence - in terms of itself. In terms of the rest of the episode, I wish it'd been shorter because the rest of the ep was so rushed.
I'm on the fence about Beaver (Cassidy, sorry! - and that was such a fabulous moment, oh my God) being suddenly totally evil. On the one hand, it did feel rather left field. To go from being cute flirty Mac-and-Beav Beaver last episode, to this? But I can justify it in my head a bit, too - basically paraphrasing zimshan up there. It's reasonable that, having been molested as a child - having all control taken away from him - he would become fixated on controlling everything. And basically become the criminal mastermind he apparently is.
And, see, I don't think he raped Mac. The timeline doesn't work out - they're in bed, all uncomfortable and "it happens to a lot of guys," and then she's in the shower and he intercepts the text message, and he tells Veronica to meet on the roof. Would he really stay to rape Mac when he's got a Big Evil Exposition-and-Death scene to get to?
I loved loved loved the rooftop scene. All three of the actors just knocked it out of the park. ("He killed everyone on the bus! [Logan's face: Don't do it.] He killed my dad! [Logan's face: Don't do it.] He raped me! [Logan's face: Okay, shoot hi - no, wait, don't do it!]" Well played.)
Jackie and Wallace felt really rushed and kinda shoe-horned in to me - though I will admit to yelling, "Yeah, Brooklyn!" when the location title came up.
I also liked that they didn't just make him a creepy child molester but gave him twisted motivations. Yeah, Woody, you cared for them in ways their dads wouldn't.
Actually I think that's the usual motivation for a child molester - most actually do believe that they're caring for their victims and making them feel special and loved. Anyway that scene rocks. And, dude, apparently last night was Creepy Child Molester Night on tv, because that was the focus of SVU, too. ::shudder::
Fuck. I have to go to work. Sorry for the essay here.
I'll be very angry if they pull a Popular and yank the show between seasons.
though I will admit to yelling, "Yeah, Brooklyn!" when the location title came up.
Me too! Except I shouted just "Brooklyyyyn!"
Now, I've only been watching for a half a season or so, so I wasn't able to catch on to all the subtlties, but this one:
But someone needs to tell the foley guy that boxers don't have zippers.
That one I caught on to. I rewound the stupid thing four times to analyze to see if I was completely wrong, because up until this point I hadn't noticed anything quite that blatently wrong. It makes me wonder if it was some sort of shout out to someone. Something that bad can't have been accidental.
Now, I have preferred Logan for Veronica all along, but as I've admitted before, I haven't been into the series for long so there are aspects that I am not intimate with. Was that odd little jump to suddenly being all cutesy-make-out-y after Veronica's dad isn't dead and Logan's is normal? They didn't even get to have a nice little "talk" like she said. He just arrived and his lips were suctioned to her's. I'm a sucker for romance, and that just didn't feel like it. It felt more like teen post traumatic stress syndrome, only with beautiful people.
All in all, though, watching that episode and reading your little recap has made me realize that I have all summer to get ahold of every episode and start from scratch so I can be completely up to speed next season.
I think a big part of the reason they brough the rape back is because of using the rape storyline they started in Rapes of Graff as a mini-arc next season. Not that Veronica wouldn't care about girls getting rapes, but she's going to care a whole hell of a lote more now. The difference between being, as you said, a victim of circumstance, which is what I think she thought of the Duncan thing, too, and being actually raped by a creepy psycho.
Ack. Ignore all those typos. This is what finals do to me.
Also, in case anyone thinks I'm spoiling them, the using of the rape storyline next year is just based on lots of spec that I've read, since Rob wants to use Alia and Michael Cera again.
I suppose that once you engineer a bus crash, you have to kill anyone who would rat you out. And speaking of, we never did find out who put the rat on the bus, did we?
I thought we're to assume it was Beaver because he knew or some other 09er wouldn't stand for the stench and would get alternate means of transportation.
As if making Beaver a remorseless killer weren't enough, he also turns out to be a frickin' rapist. Again, too far, farther than I imagined when I agreed that Beaver was the best candidate for the bus crash culprit. And it really doesn't sit well with me because, as I said to jeeperstseepers feared this very development (and may I say, it was both strange and strangely gratifying to see so many people's theories be spot-on...unless it was because everyone was influence by spoilers, in which case I hate you fucking whores)
No! No spoilers for me! I haven't even been catching the "Next On"s these past few episodes because I've been watching downloads of the eps thanks to the Fucking Nets.
Yeah, Woody, you cared for them in ways their dads wouldn't. WITH YOUR PENIS.
Veronica, you took a tiny step, and there conclusions were, but God, do you have a good sense of direction.
Perfect quote usage. I salute you.
Thank you. I find myself needing to use that line often with Veronica.
I left my review on my LJ. The best hour of television EVER!
Another thought to consider: It's all about the karma. What goes around, comes around. Aaron gets himself acquitted of Lilly's murder, only to be silently killed by CW on orders by Duncan. Woody runs away, gets captured by Keith, only to be blown up on the way back to Neptune.
I thought it was funny seeing Woody in a mountain lodge watching the Dukes of Hazzard, then throwing a DEER HEAD at Keith in an attempt to escape.
It makes people think he raped Mac ("He took everything from me.").
I would say I didn't think that, but thinking about it, maybe mentally, as he wasn't the person she thought he was. But no, he didn't.
note that "Leave It to Beaver" was kicked off by Beaver's revealing a secret he had sworn to take to the grave, and "Not Pictured" reveals that he had a Secret of his own
I was having issues resolving Beaver's actions in LitB and his actions now, and someone commented to my LJ with a good theory. Beaver comes to Veronica and warns her about Logan's ostensible responsibility for Lilly's death... not because he's worried about Veronica or has any real desire to solve the crime, but because he wants to punish Logan. The last time we saw Beaver near Logan, Logan was telling Dick that he was "dead to him" for not liking Veronica. Pretty major transgression of loyalty. In response, freaky, crazy, sick fuck Beaver (who had perfected performing normal down to an art) leaked information to Veronica that he knew would cause her to go after Logan, possibly getting Logan arrested for Lilly's murder and definitely ruining Logan's relationship with Veronica. I suspect that at the end of S1, RT had plans to make Beaver a major, nefarious character in S2. I think the groundwork for this was lain rather well, and rather than look back at his previous actions and see them as irresolvable with this resolution, I look back and see what I previously understood to be "cute" behavior as much creepier.
Yay RT! Although, there's still all those other season-long characterization issues, but... *sticks fingers in ears and sings loudly*
I look back and see what I previously understood to be "cute" behavior as much creepier.
Told you so!
*runs giggling into the night*
Okay here are my thoughts. I know there are people that feel the L/V reunion was rushed and some even said lame because it was not discussed and she was so hurt and upset after finding him with Kendall and what about their issuse etc. etc. etc. Also, I have seen many comments that this was just RT giving shippers what they want. I see it in a different light. Yes, Veronica was upset. Yes, they have mundo issues. But actions speak louder then words. Logan came. Logan saved her. Logan talked her down from shooting Beaver. He held her and stayed with her and she laid in his arms on the couch (just as he did in episode one) After trauma like that and a person being there with you through every step of that trauma, issues sometimes seem small and unimportant. Logan proved by his actions how he felt for Veronica and she held onto him like a lifeline much as he once did with her. To me that speaks so much more then an actual discussion about all that has happened. I do however hope we see more of their relationship develop in S3.
The evil Beaver reveal made sense to me, although he seemed to be evil about everything, not just what happened to him in his childhood. I think there needed to be more build up to take that leap, but Kyle, Kristen and Jason were absolutely stellar on that roof. Veronica broke my heart when she thought her father had been killed and she told Logan that Cassidy had raped her. The way Logan looked at him, I was sure when he got that gun, he would do the deed himself. And Beaver was still able to pull my heart when he said my name is Cassidy. And poor Mac. She didin't go through all that V did, but she looked so broken and the hug between the two friends made me teary. Even in her pain, Veronica reached out to her friend.
The opening dream was excellent. Wallace and V never met and her life was what she thought it would be. And in this perfect world, Veronica was with Logan. Lamb sucks for doing that to Weevil. The Clemmons and Veronica scene was touching. Stay cool Mr. C. Sniff. I am sure V will be working on that next season. I loved loved loved that Duncan had Clarence kill Aaron. He got justice for his sister and he looked so happy with his baby. And the CW being a done deal was indeed very clever. Another stand out scene was with Aaron and Veronica in the elevator. I think they would have made worthy opponents in the future. I also thought Jackie got a good send off. There was so much symmetry with this finale,last season's finale and episode one and I thought it was well done and well played. One thing that also made me happy about the ending was that Veronica reassured Logan that everything would be fine. She is rarely the optimist, but she looked certain and it showed to me that even after all that has gone down, Ms. Mars still has some marshmellow in her.
After trauma like that and a person being there with you through every step of that trauma, issues sometimes seem small and unimportant.
I agree with this. I'd also add that what they just went through was really fucking hard. And kissing is easy. Especially for these two who have always been better at the kissing than the rest of it. So I totally buy that they'd just kiss. And that it would be natural -- having kissed one or two exes in my time, it's always amazing to me how quickly it feels natural. And that they meant to talk, but that's more fucking difficult stuff, so they'd kiss.
Of course, that sets up all sorts of issues for them down the road. But that's sort of the point, right? They have to have issues. Just later.
You know I loved it. Although, when it came out that it was Beav, I felt so bad, because, like, OMG, I should have shut up and now everyone knows! Not hat it was anything but spec, but, you know.
I really, really didn't think they'd go there with the rape, but I'm so glad they did. Not having someone to hate always pissed me off.
Not that I can hate Beav. Cassidy. God.
My theory about Mac was that there was actual insertion, but no orgams, by Beaver. This ties up the following things: a) the wrestling going on in the sheets, b) the convo, c) the need for a shower, and d) her total heartbroken look at the end. I think by everything, she means her virginity. And her heart. Just like he took mine and then stomped it to a gazillion pieces.