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January 27th, 2006


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11:55 pm - Apollo's Got Spaceballs!
You know, given my position in the VM fandom right now, the following post is going to be, how you use a word incorrectly, ironic.

What the hell was that? Because it sure as hell wasn't Battlestar Galactica.

First of all, we just had the "48 hours earlier" thing TWO WEEKS AGO. THIS IS NOT FUCKING ALIAS. Sometimes they went three whole weeks without doing it! Maybe, I never kept count.

Then there's all this confusing and boring talk about trade. THIS IS NOT FUCKING STAR WARS - EPISODE I: THE PHANTOM MENACE.

Then Fisk was unexpectedly murdered. THIS IS NOT FUCK—wait, I actually liked that part. It surprised me, and one of the things I like about BSG is they kill people off like that. Unless they're played by Mary McDonnell, because you just don't do that.

Oh! I forgot the part where APOLLO IS NOW RANDOMLY HAVING SOME SORT OF FISCALLY SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH A HOOKER AND HER CHILD OKAY NOT SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH HER CHILD YOU PERVS. Also, why didn't they get Morena Baccarin? That would have been awesome. Oh right because she's not blonde and Apollo has always been in love with blondes because of some random chick we've never heard about on Caprica who is actually pretty hot so I can't blame him but she's blonde JUST LIKE STARBUCK OMG.

And then there's this annoying murder "investigation," like Apollo is magically Hercule fucking Poirot now, and I know Strega wanted to see some stories about civilian life, but it turns out stories about civilian life...suck. And...Zarek served no purpose at all; thank you, Richard Hatch, for stopping by on your lunch break. No, wait, he gave some big long speech about there not being a utopian fantasy except I wasn't paying attention by that point. Also, I kind of liked Phelan, and he should have lived to be large and menacing another day.

There was an entire episode about this black market we'd never heard of before. A black market, which, according to Roslin, is "illegal." OF COURSE IT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL. THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT THE GODSDAMN BLACK MARKET AND NOT "MOM AND POP'S EXTREMELY LEGAL GROCERY STORE."

WHERE IS MY SHOW ABOUT SPACESHIPS AND KILLER ROBOTS?

Oh, also: APOLLO/DUALLA MAKES NO SENSE. STOP TRYING TO MAKE IT MAKE SENSE.

There was some good. I loved all the Baltar/Six scenes because I love Baltar/Six. I love the way she's pretty much a part of him; he can hardly make a decision without her advice. And how great is it that he only wants to be Vice President because Roslin doesn't want him to be ahahahaha?

Also, I like the relationship between Apollo and Adama.

And Cottle smoking during the autopsy was GOLD.

Oh yeah: SOMEBODY GIVE THE EDITOR SOME VALIUM.

I called Jacob after the episode:

Jacob: "Sunil?"
Me: "Yeah, hey."
Jacob: "I'm at a party."
Me: "Aha, so I guess you didn't see the episode."
Jacob: "No, I didn't. Was it awesome?"
Me: "...NO."
Jacob: "That's what I was afraid of."
Current Mood: disappointeddisappointed
Current Music: Ladytron - Commodore Rock

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From:schnappycat
Date:January 28th, 2006 05:15 am (UTC)
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I know White Market!

And sorry you didn't like the ep. I can't comment anymore than that since I don't watch the show. But that sucks.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 28th, 2006 05:21 am (UTC)
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Yeah. I mean, as if today wasn't annoyingly sucky enough. I can't even get a halfway decent episode of my other favorite show?

But I like to think my negativity is more playful than vitriolic and thus hopefully less abrasive to people who did like the episode.
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From:tlynne75
Date:January 28th, 2006 05:20 am (UTC)
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As person in both fandoms, all I can say is HA! I see your Irony and raise you a ....hmmm...what can I raise you? Granted, I'm not nearly as invested in BSG as I am in VM (please don't shoot me, but I haven't seen all of BSG's first season), but I liked this episode. Yeah, it wasn't tops, but I've definitely seen worse in the first part of season 2. One of my favorite things about BSG is how humanity is portrayed. It gives you very glaring and insightful looks into how humans think, act, and perceive. Maybe I'm overthinking here, but I always tend to pick up some parallels between the show and humanity, Like tonight with the whole Roslyn's "Utopia" and the black market. It totally screamed Marxism v Communism to me. Maybe that's my inner Poli Sci geek speaking, but.....
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 28th, 2006 05:24 am (UTC)
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(please don't shoot me, but I haven't seen all of BSG's first season)

Dude! Go do that! It's so good!

I've definitely seen worse in the first part of season 2.

Really? I was loving the hell out of the first part of S2.

One of my favorite things about BSG is how humanity is portrayed. It gives you very glaring and insightful looks into how humans think, act, and perceive. Maybe I'm overthinking here, but I always tend to pick up some parallels between the show and humanity, Like tonight with the whole Roslyn's "Utopia" and the black market. It totally screamed Marxism v Communism to me. Maybe that's my inner Poli Sci geek speaking, but.....

No, I think I see what they were trying to do. Like, I understand the point of the whole black market business, but it just seemed to come out of nowhere and it all felt so poorly executed and just told rather than shown and...yeah. Apparently, even Ron D. Moore was disappointed in this episode, so I feel a little better.
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From:tlynne75
Date:January 28th, 2006 05:41 am (UTC)
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I know, I'm going to have to find the time to watch all of Season 1. I swear it's on my list right behind Wonderfalls and just ahead of Farscape. I need more hours in the day. *sigh*

I had mixed feelings on the beginning of Season 2. I absolutely loved some episodes and were meh on others. There weren't any I really disliked....but I definitely enjoyed this one more than some of the others.

And, I swear the reason I like this show so much is my inner Poli Sci geek. She has so much fun picking things apart and over analyzing. Makes me think my grad school education did not go completely to waste.
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From:zimshan
Date:January 28th, 2006 05:44 am (UTC)
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Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not one to watch BSG, but life deciding to be iconically sucky does indeed...suck.
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From:alliterator
Date:January 28th, 2006 07:35 am (UTC)
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WHAT ARE YOU CRAZY IT WAS SPACE NOIR I LOVE SPACE NOIR.

Okay, parts of it didn't make sense. Like there's a black market and nobody's mentioned it. Or that Lee's been seeing a prostitute whom we've never seen before (what, they couldn't mention something in the LAST episode?). Or the entire Lee/Dualla thing. WTF is up with that?

But the rest? I liked. Lee shot that guy in the motherfucking face! Yeah. That's noir, baby.
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From:peri_peteia
Date:January 28th, 2006 12:01 pm (UTC)
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OF COURSE IT'S FUCKING ILLEGAL. THAT'S WHY THEY CALL IT THE GODSDAMN BLACK MARKET AND NOT "MOM AND POP'S EXTREMELY LEGAL GROCERY STORE."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Oh, Cow. I have not watched this episode and maybe never will, but your reaction post fills me with such mirth. I thought you should know.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 28th, 2006 02:01 pm (UTC)
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I am glad to spread mirth!
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From:ohimesamamama
Date:January 28th, 2006 12:59 pm (UTC)
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I don't even watch BSG and this made me laugh.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 28th, 2006 02:02 pm (UTC)
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Heh. Good! We all need a good laugh. Also, I tried to call you to thank you for defending me.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 28th, 2006 02:22 pm (UTC)
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Heh. I'm glad people liked the grocery store joke, especially because I added it at the last minute because I'd forgotten to put it in and thought maybe it wasn't as strong a punchline. But I am now *heart*ing it.

The whole episode was random stuff we'd never heard about before! What happened to my continuity crack?!
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From:debetesse
Date:January 28th, 2006 03:17 pm (UTC)
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I've gotta wonder if it would have played better with the cut scene between D and Apollo last week. Probably not, but it's a thought...

Looking at the promo for next week, I've having Buffy S6 visions, because, with both Kara and Lee going down the "Oh, woe, I am so depressed with my life which is not worth living." I understand the desire for dark, and I even like the dark. It's just worrysome in the possibility of too much dark.
From:vandalisimo
Date:January 28th, 2006 04:24 pm (UTC)
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That was a weird, weird episode, for sure. Although I don't understand the thing about your position in the VM fandom and the irony? I don't know much about the fandom -- help.

I'm sad because this was a big Lee episode and I luf him, but not so much the episode. First of all, stop it with the 48 hours earlier. Annoying. And the woman who played the hooker was awful. AWFUL. And the random blonde woman. Who?! And the Dee thing. I can get with the Dee/Lee pairing in theory, but it's being played out horribly. Since all we've really seen was that one random workout scene, her approaching him that way and asking questions made her seem somewhat psycho. I just...the whole thing was a mess. Okay concept executed really poorly. I don't even know why they felt the need to bring in that random blonde woman from Lee's past. Why not just have his issues tie in with his loss of admiration for his father and Roslin in the last episode? A lack of purpose or something. Just. All weird.

Weird!
From:vandalisimo
Date:January 28th, 2006 04:26 pm (UTC)
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In addition, it's not like Lee had to have some past with a woman who apparently wanted to give him a child (?) to be horrified by the whole selling children thing. He just has to be human and not twisted for that. COME ON!
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 28th, 2006 04:41 pm (UTC)
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I think they needed the woman to justify his random hooker relationship. And to prove that he loves Starbuck because she's blonde.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 28th, 2006 04:39 pm (UTC)
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Ha, I love your icon.

As far as the irony, right now there's a huge fandom uproar over the "Donut Run" reaction since apparently it's the last straw for a lot of people, and they're spewing negativity everywhere, and I remarked in the Meet Market that all the negativity bummed me out, which garnered me a link as a shining example of Television With Pity, thus labelling me the Poster Boy for Not Allowing Fans to Express Negative Opinions.

And here I am, expressing negative opinions. It's fun!

(By the way, you should check out "Donut Run." There's some scruffy Duncan for you!")

Yeah, definitely a weird episode.
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From:maka2000
Date:January 28th, 2006 04:35 pm (UTC)
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So, I don't suppose it'd help your mood at all for me to say this was the 2nd epi of BSG I've ever seen...and I rather liked it? I had no idea what the heck was going on, but I was entertained none the less. Heh. I didn't know the hooker was a new character, I assumed he had something ongoing with her because they seemed so familiar. It was easy for me to accept that non-relationship I guess. I thought the assasination of that captain guy was startling and pretty badass. I liked that they used the flash back and forward thing. I'll probably watch the show again.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 28th, 2006 04:42 pm (UTC)
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Heh. Well, cool! The thing about the flashback/forward thing was that they did it last episode too, but it was much more effective. And hey, keep watching the show, and seek out past episodes so you can see what the show's like when it's really good.
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From:kiwikazoo
Date:January 28th, 2006 04:52 pm (UTC)
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First of all, we just had the "48 hours earlier" thing TWO WEEKS AGO. THIS IS NOT FUCKING ALIAS. Sometimes they went three whole weeks without doing it! Maybe, I never kept count.

I KNOW! What happened to great episodes like "33" where they drop us in the middle of the action and expect us to keep up and figure it out? ARGH!

Oh! I forgot the part where APOLLO IS NOW RANDOMLY HAVING SOME SORT OF FISCALLY SEXUAL RELATIONSHIP WITH A HOOKER

I might -- MIGHT -- have been okay with this if they had actually been setting it up in previous episodes. All they had to do was, once in a while, mention Apollo's been visiting Cloud 9. It still would have been ENTIRELY OUT OF CHARACTER but at least it wouldn't have come out of nowhere.

So much to hate. What happened to the moral ambiguity? Did they have to go making the black market guy SO EVIL LOOK HOW EVIL HE IS OMG!? Couldn't they have made a case for the Fleet's inability to efficiently distribute supplies, and the black market not being all greedy and mob-like and evil but rather a neccessity for survival? Or something? GODDAMMIT.

STOP PASSING YOUR BONG AROUND THE WRITERS' ROOM, RON D. MOORE!
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 28th, 2006 04:59 pm (UTC)
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Couldn't they have made a case for the Fleet's inability to efficiently distribute supplies, and the black market not being all greedy and mob-like and evil but rather a neccessity for survival?

...isn't that what they did? I mean, that was one of the good things about the episode, however poorly executed it was.
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From:kiwikazoo
Date:January 28th, 2006 05:28 pm (UTC)
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Sorry, I meant without having Apollo speechify it down our throats with a sledgehammer. They used to set up conflicts like this by situation, not monologues. (See: "Flesh and Bone")
From:lilserf
Date:January 28th, 2006 05:44 pm (UTC)

Listen to the podcast

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First of all, I agree with everything you said, Sunil.
The podcast this week was *really* interesting, though.

His very first sentence was "This week we're going to do something a little different on the podcast -- we're going to be talking about an episode that I don't like very much."

He actually goes into a lot of detail about what they were aiming at and how they accidentally screwed themselves and killed all the impact. He, multiple times, states that while it might be an okay story, it's not "Galactica". He basically agrees with everything you said.

It's interesting, because apparently the script for this episode was one he was really excited about and thought would be good, but when he actually saw it on the screen he was super-depressed and realized all the mistakes he'd made with the story. Even the "48 hours earlier" was done in post to try to punch up the slow pace and add SOME tension.

Anyway, it's very interesting to hear Ron's analysis and honest opinion that it was a lousy episode. And he says everybody's agreed that next week's episode is good stuff, so we can look forward to that.
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From:dcjensen
Date:January 29th, 2006 07:23 pm (UTC)
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> And...Zarek served no purpose at all; thank you, Richard Hatch, for stopping by on your lunch break.

Actually, I got the feeling that Zarek was either 1. Behind it all, and actually orchestrated the whole thing, or 2. Taking over in the power vacuum at the end.

I think #2 is more likely. He was shown walking with at least one of the "bad guys" in the corridor at the end.
From:metabeta
Date:February 3rd, 2006 04:39 pm (UTC)
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I think...yes, it's been confirmed - you are now using capital letters so much that it is scaring people. Where "people" equals "me."

Also, I kept thinking, the entire episode of Dane Cook saying, "Let's go back. Let's see how it started. Let's Tarantino it."

I liked this episode because I got through it and now I can watch the next one and love the show some more.
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From:gymble
Date:December 11th, 2006 04:46 am (UTC)
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So, several months later, I agree. What the hell was that? I was simultaneously bored, annoyed, and wondering whether I'd missed a set-up episode or 3. Lee now has sexual tension/relationships with three women not named Kara Thrace? The hell? It's like some desperate Lee/Dee 'shipper snuck a fanfic into the writers' room. And let's not even get into the fact that Lee's suicidal despair makes no sense to begin with.

And even the A-plot, the black market and trading rules and blah blah blah, wasn't set up. This entire episode came out of nowhere. I think that if I had not seen the previous 30 episodes (or however many there were), this would have been much more enjoyable because I wouldn't have known how many things the writers just tossed in there without any regard for continuity. As it is, the writers appear to have taken a sharp turn off the path I thought they were following.

Thank God I have it on good authority that the show gets better again. I do hope that was the low point.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:December 11th, 2006 06:05 am (UTC)
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Even Ron Moore knows this episode sucks. Every show needs one of these, right?
From:hobviously
Date:December 11th, 2006 07:59 am (UTC)
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You know what would be great, would be if Ron D. Moore noticed that he sucks BEFORE he committed his terribleness to no-takebacks canon.

Apparently he's all over the podcasts these days bemoaning how terrible an idea Lee/Dualla was. No shit! Your regret is like pee-flavoured ash in my mouth, RDM. Argh.

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