November 10th, 2005
|12:39 am - Is It Now a Crime to Kill a Mexican?|
Rob said this episode was dense and insider. He wasn't fucking kidding.
I don't even know where to start.
CLIFF!!!!!!!! There's a good place. So good to see him. I love how self-assured he is about his own abilities, and the lack thereof. The chip/block line? Brilliant.
I...no, seriously, I don't even know what to say. Klembom packed so much into this episode, it was ridiculous. Abel fucking Koontz?! I never thought I'd see him again! Amelia's boyfriend? Her fucking roommate? And meanwhile, WEEVIL IS BURNING DOWN LOGAN'S FUCKING HOUSE. JUST LIKE HE BURNED DOWN THEIR FUCKING POOL. And the racism is back, yay! Take that, UPN!
Does Veronica even go to school anymore? She must have missed a lot of fucking class to be going back and forth to UCLA and Waverly and everywhere else Amelia went. I half expected her to fly to Ibiza.
But no...where do I...I don't even know how to talk about this damn episode! Okay! Calm down, Sunil! Break it into...parts.
Veronica. There. Misses Wallace. Aw. And I'm glad we didn't get any Wallace this episode, because that is exactly the right thing to do. We need to miss Wallace too. It makes him all the more gone.
I wonder if newbies followed and/or cared about the A plot. We veterans had continuitygasms galore, but the people tuning in from ANTM would be all, "Who?" The Cliff/Veronica who-owes-whom conversation was priceless. I am waiting for callbacks regarding those various favors.
WIEDMAN FUCKING ROCKS.
The whole "30 dollars a night" schtick was really funny. But holy crap, I was expected to find Amelia's Palm in the icebox. NOT HER PALM. Though are they really sure that was Amelia? It looked inconclusive. And could you fit an entire girl in that thing? Anyone else reminded of Identity? The Argentinian diplomat's son thing was kind of out of left field, and it was weird because I just saw the whole diplomatic immunity thing on Smallville last week.
Oh! Joss! Joooooss. He did better than I expected, given his very deliberate line readings in the River Tam Sessions. And the chick from ANTM wasn't too bad either. Loved the Carmen Sandiego reference. This show is great at using guest stars.
I love what they're doing with Keith and Veronica, how he's learning more and more that Veronica's going down a path he really doesn't want her on. It's been an ongoing plotline this whole season, and it's great because Keith totally does the same shit he tells Veronica not to do, but he's allowed to do it because he's NOT IN FUCKING HIGH SCHOOL.
Dude, shit! Aaron! HOW COULD I FORGET ABOUT AARON OMG. His scenes with Logan were great, and I love that Logan didn't take his shit, and I love that Aaron's still trying to be a good dad and reading Russian literature. I love that his characterization during the tail end of last season wasn't for nought, and his behavior during the finale was just him "snapping." I don't believe his "Duncan did it" argument, though we know Duncan was Rob's backup killer, and wouldn't that be just ridiculous if Duncan really did end up doing it? I don't think Aaron would have been so intent on getting back the tapes had he not actually killed Lilly, though. And Keith fucking rocks.
I don't know how this episode will hold up as...an episode. Stand-alone-wise. It seemed to exist to advance about seventeen separate storylines. Only time will tell.
I kind of love Rob for the title. I was waiting the whole episode for it to make, I don't know, ANY SENSE AT ALL, and then, bam, the final frame. A rat. Who saw God. That explains why the bus stunk enough for Dick to comment on it. Which totally felt like a throwaway back then because Dick is, you know, Dick. But...for fuck's sake, I love this show. I don't know whether I've seen such conscientious, deft plotting before. jennifereileen thinks it comes from the fact that Rob's a novelist, and hey, maybe that's it. He's got a real sense of story structure and laying things out (Rats Saw God had similar callbacks to what seemed like throwaway comments). And the degree to which he's tying this season to the past is just insane. He laid out the first season so that it could be a self-contained story. But now he's using that philosophy for the entire goddamn show. Everything is connected; the story of Veronica Mars is one big story. And he's doing it on purpose, unlike the rather awesome Angel S4 retcon, which just got really lucky.
I can't wait to see what else he has up his sleeve.
Current Mood: shocked
Current Music: Lukewarm Freeda - Little Miss Get-Around
ONly a few hours til I can see this ep.
What you said.
Except also this: Since there's no way to work my favorite line from last week into my daily repertoire, bet your ass I'll be using MATERNAL EXPLETIVE! as much as I possibly can.
|Date:||November 10th, 2005 06:20 am (UTC)|| |
I was sort of mentally pretending that Veronica was doing the drive up to L.A. etc. thing on the weekend. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Though, given where they are, it really is only a couple hours to UCLA.
Again, you leave me wanting and planning to copy and paste a certain thing and say "DUDE, YES!!"..
And when I'm done, I have the whole damn thing copy and pasted. So.
Fucking word to every last thing you said. DUDE.
|Date:||November 11th, 2005 07:24 pm (UTC)|| |
Mmm. . .Lilly icon
|Date:||November 10th, 2005 06:45 am (UTC)|| |
Everything is connected; the story of Veronica Mars is one big story.
After reading that, I was excited to realize that it is but also conflicted in that if someone tries to catch on to VM, they may have a difficult time doing that and lose interest.
Yeah I know, my friend Topher who hasn't seen season 1 yet is probably writing a whole shitload of questions for me.
This episode was DA BOMB!
Yes, how could I leave out Klemmer? *hangs her head in shame* .. should be put up on the flag pole, that's what should happen to me.
|Date:||November 10th, 2005 12:10 pm (UTC)|| |
i doubt anyone except Aaron killed Lilly simply because of the way he was acting in LiTB. his comment about Lilly's story being a cautionary tale for V? yeah. he did it.
otherwise, i'm still in my OMGOMGOMG!!! phase.
|Date:||November 10th, 2005 12:45 pm (UTC)|| |
I'm x-posting some of my comments from dangermousie's episode thread on the VM Fans community(BTW, the mods in the community need to get on the ball when it comes to screening and posting anon. comments):
Weevil seems to have forgotten his conversation with Veronica just before the bus crash. He and Logan are going to end up killing each other the longer this feud between them goes.
I loved Lamb's line when they got Logan's burning house: "That'll mess up your Tivo." Talking Heads is now playing in my mind-"BURNING DOWN THE HOUSE!" LOL
I like that Keith's now investigating the bus crash, especially since the hand came up. The rat nailed to the seat, though, I was confused by that. Maybe the Tritons are involved somehow?
It kinda sucked that Amelia died, as it would have been interesting to see the confrontation between her and Veronica. But, I guess Clarence was planning to kill Amelia's killer by that line, "Whatever happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas".
== BearDogg-X ==
I'm hoping the rat actually has some functional purpose, rather than a whole symbolic signature for the bus crash, because that's just sloppy crime. Either that, or that it's completely unrelated to the crash.
As someone who has not seen a lot of last year's episodes, it was enjoyable, though I know I will get more out of it when I re-watch after watching last season. (This entire season is sitting on my TiVo). I adored Cliff. I am glad that I'll be getting more of him.
Joss! Joss's (was it Manager or Employee of the Month? Either way!) picture!
I'm vaguely impressed her Palm still had battery power
I think the most intriguing developing plotline is the Keith/Veronica boundaries and allowances, because I'm not sure how it can work out in a way that is in any way tenable. He can't reasonably expect her to do nothing when she is so involved in the thing she's investigating, but, at the same time, his concerns are more than valid.
I also still want Lamb out. I'd like him to implode in a real and meaningful way this season. It would be really tidy if he cheated in some way in the election, but that's a little too tidy for this show. But starting with Keith as the Sherrif next season seems right to me, in some way, unless really interesting things happen with the un-official Mars investigation(s).
|Date:||November 10th, 2005 03:50 pm (UTC)|| |
I gasped out loud so many times while watching (that and squeeing over continuity treats), Stephen was like, "What the hell is going on?!"
So good. Maybe it won't stand alone later, but for now, it pulled everything (almost) back together in a messy little knot. If anything, the preview for next week kind of baffled me because it seems completely unrelated to anything else going on, and I got kind of a Nancy and Ned (Nancy Drew) squick from Veronica and Duncan sleuthing together, but it still looks like an interesting episode.
Joss! Speaking German! Heh.
|Date:||November 10th, 2005 04:08 pm (UTC)|| |
That explains why the bus stunk enough for Dick to comment on it.
Oooh. I didn't put the two and two together, but this is a lovely bit of continuity. I shiver in joy whenever we gets evidence of pre-planning, and VM is chockful of those. *pets show*
Amelia went to LMU, which is in Los Angeles as well-not that far from San Diego, though.
And that was actually LMU's campus, which gave me a huge gigantic SQUEE.
As I said earlier, I'm glad I read this so that I knew I had missed the end. Hee. I can fall asleep anytime anywhere. Sometimes that's good. Sometimes that's bad. ;)
|Date:||November 11th, 2005 06:45 am (UTC)|| |
Oh, this post made me giggle like a maniac because it's all so friggin true! And it makes me so damn happy! This episode was off the flippin' charts and oh damn, I LOVE MY LITTLE SHOW!!! So, take that, Lost!
Seriously, after last night's ep, I stand in absolute awe. This plotting is just absolutely insane and I can not even believe how well they're doing it. You're right, RT is making everything connected!
But now I'm wondering, how on earth could they top this? That eleventh episode that is supposed to "BLOW. YOU. AWAY."? I'm just scared shitless. Anything that tops this is bound to just absolutely kill me. I'm beyond even trying to imagine it. I seriously can't even fathom it. It makes my head spin to try. But that is one of the 247 reasons why I love this damn show...
|Date:||November 11th, 2005 02:26 pm (UTC)|| |
Zimshan pimped this post over at her LJ and of course I've seen your posts everywhere but I loved this. Agree, agree and agree but I especially enjoyed the insight that the entire series is part of one big novel. Because I so often wonder whether the season 1 references are just bones thrown to fans or if there is an overall theme. Season 1 was a wonderful detective story - to look at it as part of an overall novel - well I just love this. Excellent insight and now I'm wonderfully intrigued.
And I never really connected the dots about Duncan being the backup killer last year. Instead I've been focusing on what is up with Duncan honing on the Honest boyfriend line last night. I can't really believe Rob will retcon the season 1 solution but this is very intriguing. I did feel it was significant that Aaron chose Duncan as his substitute killer for his defense story.
Would you mind if I friend you? I have absolutely nothing of interest ever to say but I would love to read more of your comments.
I don't mind at all! Glad you appreciate my thoughts.
And Aaron was all "Yo, enough with the toughguy schtick - I'm an Eccols, that don't work on me", with Keith firing back with a "Yeah? Well how's this then, punk?"
I counted at least 19 storylines getting advanced in this one; as well as the new "What up with the diplomat?" new thread.
Everything is connected; the story of Veronica Mars is one big story.
This is so true, and I think it's what makes VM such good fucking TV. RT has created a whole universe *insert Mars, Neptune, Uranus joke* and no matter what, the characters and their stories always exist in that universe. It kind of reminds me of the Harry Potter books, because there's a world there, and it's definite, and it makes everything better because even when there are mysteries, there are so many things that you know to be true.
Erm. Hi. Sorry for my long-winded 4:36 a.m. comment. I got here through...TWOP...somehow. Would you be terribly offended if I added you?