July 30th, 2005
|01:00 am - Murder Is Your Art|
New Serenity trailer! It's like a combination of the first trailer and the international trailer. And the second half uses the Juno Reactor remix of "Guilty"! Totally sweet!
Also, I'm optimistic about the CBS airings of Veronica Mars hooking new viewers. Two people in the GG MM have already succumbed.
Finally, the reason "Flat Bionic Sporking Elves" is so catchy is because I wrote it in half an hour and thus made up some simple melodies to keep the meter straight. And these melodies were probably ripped off from Gilbert and Sullivan.
Now, to quote Tris: Battlestar. GALACTICA!
First off, let me note the bad. There was something off about the directing in this episode. Like, the visual style and shot composition didn't seem...right, a lot of the time. I couldn't put my finger on it. Also, that one Baltar/Six scene in the Baltie Dream House felt kind of heavy-handed with all the talk of salvation.
But since I'm on the subject of Baltar/Six, I'll start there. I'm finding God's stance on Kobol rather interesting. Six makes it sound like the scriptures aren't false, they're just...lesser. Like the Cylon's God is just better than the Lords of Kobol. But then again, I find it extremely hard to put what Six says into the actual context of the show since I think she's just a subconscious projection rather than an implanted version of the real Six. Regardless, it's much easier to at least treat what Six says as some sort of truth, because I still like the idea that somehow, Baltar is actually working out the entire Cylon religion and plan in his head, either based on his experiences with the real Six or logical/illogical extrapolation that happens to be coincidentally accurate.
So God has forsaken Kobol, huh? Then what the frak are the Cylons doing there? And may I once again repeat that the special effects on this show kick ass? Obviously, the Cylons are CGI, and I'm not even sure whether the missile thing and dradis dish were CGI or not. Everything looks so fucking real.
"I just joined to pay for dental school." I *heart* Cally. And Selix is hot.
I liked that Baltar wasn't lying when he said the guard on the dish was continuous. It was due to an accident. From his perspective, the guard looked continuous, and he had no way to verify otherwise. It's like a mini-metaphor for the entire series. Everyone sees things from different perspectives, and it's not they're wrong, it's just that they may not be seeing the entire picture; in fact, they might not know there's more to the picture than what they themselves have seen.
I liked that Tyrol called Crashdown on "owing it to Socinus and Tarn," cause that was a load of crap. Protecting the rescue party is a perfectly good reason to mount an attack, but, buddy, you're wearing your fallen comrades' dog tags around your neck. I think you have Issues.
And, okay, The Big Scene. Poor Cally, who just joined to pay for dental school. Crazy Crashdown, who's let his rank go to his head. And what the hell are you doing pulling your gun on Cally? Will shooting her actually help you in any way? Does the fact that Tyrol's plan to attack a potentially unguarded (and if not unguarded, two Cylons are fewer than five Cylons) dish makes a whole lot of sense reaching your addled brain? Apparently not.
I think everyone in the entire world heard the gunshot and thought, "Cally's obviously not dead. Tyrol shot Crashdown." And then. Baltar. With the gun. Becoming a man. Holy crap. You never know what to expect from this show except that you won't expect it.
And then, shit! The Cylon attack was intense. Bullets everywhere! I was on the edge of my damn seat. I thought Selix was a goner when she got shot like hell. I was so afraid the Cylons were going rip Tyrol apart with bullets and he was going to go out in a blaze of glory. It's unsettling to watch a show where I can honestly believe they'll just kill a character like that.
It's been a while since I've seen Saving Private Ryan, so I didn't recognize the ripoff/homage, but it was still fun to see Tyrol's bemused expression at having blown up a bunch of Cylons with his little gun.
So now they all have a dirty little secret that will haunt them for a while and/or come back to bite them in the ass, cause that's what this show does. And Six will be Baltar's conscience! Perfect! She's the poster child for morality and ethics.
Whew. That was Kobol, and it mostly rocked. But what of Galactica?
Well, Tigh sucks a lot. Back on the booze, he can't command the ship worth crap. Like, fucking Apollo would be better at running the thing ("Demanding job, commanding a battlestar."). Gaeta could do a better job. BILLY WOULD BE A BETTER COMMANDER. ("Why aren't you in the brig?" "...No one put me there.") And Dualla is awesome with the drinky-drink gesture.
The Prez is a kamala addict! Man, this isn't good. But now she's won the devotion of the Quorum of Twelve because she's the dying savior of humanity. Someone on TWoP posed the interesting question: which is worse, a military dictatorship or a theocracy? That's the kind of crazy questions this show asks! Except I think we're supposed to vote theocracy because Roslin sucks less than Tigh. Except is following religion so good, cause that's what the Cylons did, and THEY KILLED EVERYONE. Damn this show for being complex and thought-provoking.
I hate Ellen Tigh. The end.
Current Mood: orange juiced
Current Music: Gravity Kills - Guilty (Juno Reactor Remix)
"Six makes it sound like the scriptures aren't false, they're just...lesser. Like the Cylon's God is just better than the Lords of Kobol."
This is very much how Yaweh started out, lo these meillenia ago.
I'm not sure how the Six in Baltar's head could be his own invention, at this point.
See, that's exactly what I anticipated happening with the gunshot, as soon as we saw Gaius in the frame (before the bang). The man is frakking nuts.
Definately interesting questions, and lots of directions I'd love to see the show go.
I hate both the Tigh's, though, yeah, Ellen more.
RRodger on TWoP said this:
Which makes me think of Judaism. The commandment that God gave Moses wasn't that other gods don't exist, but that only God would be worshipped.
I am completely fascinated by the idea that the colonials hold to a Greek mysticism while the Cyclons have developed a sort of Gnostic Judasim.
One wonders how the Cylons developed their religion, since they speak so much about their human influences. They refer to them as their parents, so perhaps it began as a sort of teenage rebellion? I do think it's kind of an awesome twist that the good guys are polytheistic and the bad guys are monotheistic. If Cylons are supposed to some sort of terrorist metaphor, I wonder how their religion compares to Islam.
I don't think they're terrorists. They're not trying to destroy the will of the humans to fight, so they'll leave the Cylons alone. They're trying to wipe out the humans (I think they're a much closer analog to, at least common perceptions of, the US government, for reasons I can delineate, but, well, this is a parenthetical).
I do think that Six believes the Cylons God is better than the humans gods. Or maybe just the Six in Baltar's head. Oh, but if you really want to see God beat up the greek gods, check this out
. Jesus turns the other cheek and BITCHSLAPS THE GREEK GODS.
I love Cally. Seriously. She was great in the last episode, with the mother-fracker and in this episode with the dental school. She always gets the best one-liners.
Is it bad that I totally forgot about Starbuck and Helo until after the show was over? Or that when Tigh announced that he wouldn't put everybody under marshall law, because I had seen the preview which has Tigh announcing he's putting everybody under marshall law? Actually, that part is kind of Sci-fi's fault - thanks for putting the actual ENDING in the preview.
Ha! That Jesus.
I totally forgot about Starbuck and Helo until the episode was over, too. I even noticed the actor's name in the credits and though, "Oh, we'll see Helo, right." And then I forgot about him entirely.
And yeah, frakkin' Sci-Fi. That really annoyed me. I was hoping they had used that in the preview because it was somehow misleading, and the next line was Roslin saying, "Oh no you don't!" But I was wrong.
I was so afraid the Cylons were going rip Tyrol apart with bullets and he was going to go out in a blaze of glory. It's unsettling to watch a show where I can honestly believe they'll just kill a character like that.
Honestly, I was so afraid for him. It was a little sad of me, I was like talking the TV through it. And even after the Raptor was over them, I was begging Tyrol to duck because I kept expecting something bad to happen AND HE IS MY BOYFRIEND.
Six makes it sound like the scriptures aren't false, they're just...lesser. Like the Cylon's God is just better than the Lords of Kobol.
This is called henotheism, or monolatry. "Y'all can have your own gods, but they suck and are not worthy of worship. Pah!" My religion professor calls the first couple millennia of Judaism "Yahwism," because, as somebody pointed out, the ancient Hebrews (such as the guys who wrote the many, many passages in the Hebrew Bible [Old Testament] that refer to other gods, like, oh, Genesis) were monolatrous to Yahweh, not monotheist, for quite a damn while.
And, yes. First lasting monotheistic religion. And this is all a bit murky and very interesting since I've always likened Laura Roslin with Moses (who did not live to see the promised land, either), but he lead the Hebrews out of The Land of Polytheism to Israel, so...
Uhm. *religion nerd*
And Six will be Baltar's conscience! Perfect! She's the poster child for morality and ethics.
Yeah, I know that when I think of morality and ethics, snapping a baby's neck for no reason and destroying the defense mainframe of twelve planets are the first exemplary actions that come to mind.
All the Six scenes seemed quite thin. I was disappointed. Not up to their usual standard, but I was busy having heart attacks elsewhere, so whatevs.
BSG just kicks the most ass on tv right now.
I'm hoping to pin down why while recapping, but it didn't feel quite right, particularly during the first third.
Yes, exactly. It was really only during the beginning that things felt wrong. The framing was really unusual, too many close-ups, it seemed like. The latter half was fine.But I knew Baltar would shoot Crash; Six made that pretty clear.
I think if I had remembered the earlier conversation with Six at that moment, I would have figured it out. But looking back, I was fully engrossed
from Cally's inital reluctance throughout the Cylon attack. Like, the apartment building across the way could have exploded and I wouldn't have noticed. However off the directing was in the beginning of the episode, that whole sequence was awesome.I thought that it was cool to show Tigh declaring martial law in the preview, because halfway through he says that Adama would hate for that to happen. So I spent the second half knowing that something was going to go seriously wrong to push Tigh to that extreme.
As I said to alliterator
, when it didn't happen early on, I expected the preview to have been misleading, with Roslin saying, "Oh no you don't!" right after. But I was wrong. And, well, so were you, in a way, from the audience's perspective. But from Tigh's, the fact that the citizen's leaders actually want Roslin to lead them is seriously wrong.
But next week, you might finally get to see those riots you've been wanting to see!
|Date:||July 30th, 2005 10:19 pm (UTC)|| |
Had I thought this earlier I would have scolded myself for blashphemy, thinking it was a copout, but now...I am seriously thinking that the Cylon's god is going to be an actual entity, either Cylon or human or both, and this person will tie into the prophecies in much the same way Roslyn does. It's a very Star Trekky theory but I see the opposing religions coming to a head and that's how it works out. Plus, Six is upping the mentions of her god so much that he just seems bound to appear, and I would prefer them to not have an actual god character. (It's okay for SG1, not BSG.) A human who was perhaps one of the original programmers of Cylons, maybe. Someone who was antisocial and didn't oppose their evolutionary concepts, who may have influenced their monotheism. Maybe that person is dead and all that's left is journals that the Cylons take as the word of God, who knows, but I really think a human is responsible for all this God talk. Maybe journals from an Earthling - Six was pretty adamant that God is a "he". I'm also pondering that since what is happening now came before - maybe God is actually the first Cylon/human progeny. Or, Baltar is Joseph, Six is Mary...something like that.
Oooh. That's a cool theory. I like it, especially the idea that he was one of the original programmers who may be long dead but wrote a bunch of mumbo jumbo in some journals that the Cylons use as scripture.
What's odd (or maybe not so odd) is that the Cylon scriptures seem to make reference to the Kobol gods, but the prophecies of Pythea don't seem to recognize the existence of the Cylon God at all. I like the idea of the two religions coming to a head, but the human religion doesn't account for the Cylon religion.
So are you under the impression that Baltar's Six is real? I know it may seem harder to believe since Baltar dreamed up a baby at the same time Boomer got pregnant, but I still don't think it's out of the realm of possibility for Baltar to be cooking this all up out of his own subconscious. We don't know how much interaction he had with the real Six. She may have whispered to him in his sleep.
And honestly, we don't actually know how important he is to the Cylons anymore. He's convinced he's God's instrument, but Shelly Godfrey hardly recognized him. Now, that truly might have been because Baltar was right; he was falsely discredited so that he couldn't be discredited for real. But no other real version of Six has mentioned Baltar.
I don't know. As much as I love the ambiguity of Baltar's Six, it looks like at some point, they're going to have to make a choice. Because I'm still taking his extrapolations as basic truth, which means he's either a valuable asset to the Cylons or incredibly dangerous.
WHAT'S YOUR FUCKING PLAN, CYLONS?! WHAT'S YOUR FUCKING PLAN?!?!?!
|Date:||July 30th, 2005 11:28 pm (UTC)|| |
I like the idea of the two religions coming to a head, but the human religion doesn't account for the Cylon religion.
This is where I become sheepish and admit I'm probably more than a little influenced by last night's SG1 episode. As it stands in that show, some new "gods" have shown up and when they couldn't be discredited by our stalwart hero Daniel Jackson, they were acknowledged as actually possibly being gods, in the same way their cheesy Ancients and the deposed G'hould are considered. The new to the scene gods, the Orii (sp?), are totally pissed off at the reigning Ancients because...the Ancients oppressed any and all info of the Orii across the universe. But, the Orii have this thing about executing anyone who dares to believe there is another higher power too. There's a message about Christianity in there. SG1 was not a deep show back in the day and I found myself wondering if their new direction was influenced by close proximity to BSG production offices. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the oppression of other religions thing isn't a carryover from BSG.
So are you under the impression that Baltar's Six is real?
I thought she was purely his subconcious prior to the Shelly Godfrey episode, but that ep changed my mind. I don't think Six is a Farscape-inspired chip in the head but I do think it will end up being a scifi wank about brainwaves and transmitting to various brain frequencies, with severe limitations. Hence Six is part actual Cylon intention and part Baltar's subconcious input. But the most important thing is that I think the audience is supposed to believe what Six says *as if* she actually knew it separate from Baltar. Whatever explanation they come up with for her is going to be scifi wank anyway. I trust them.
I also think that the Cylon's have some sort of beaming technology. Explains Shelly (who was definitely a Cylon *and* who's whole reason for being was motivated by Six's interaction with Baltar earlier in the episode. Also explains the Cylon guy whose name starts with an 'L' that Starbuck was interrogating.
eta: Ooops, I originally posted in the wrong place.
|Date:||July 30th, 2005 11:36 pm (UTC)|| |
You know what's funny? The whole time I typed that I was listening to The Pixies - Monkey's Gone to Heaven:
If Man is five, if Man is Five
Then the Devil is six, Then the Devil is six
If the Devil is six, if the Devil is six
Then God is seven, then God is seven
|Date:||July 31st, 2005 06:21 am (UTC)|| |
The thing I liked about the Tigh scenes on the Galactica was the fact that Tigh is clearly aware of the fact that he sucks at this. He really, really, doesn't want to be the guy the buck stops with. Press? Quorum? He just wants to keep things running smoothly and doesn't have the time or the temperament to deal with all these issues.
Of all the folks hoping Adama pulls through, nobody wants him back in command more than Tigh. It makes for an interesting dynamic to have the inferior officer, aware of his failings, trying to keep things going as best he can while trying to stay true to what Adama would have wanted.
Of course at the end I think the drink is getting the better of him, since he'd already stated Adama was anti-martial law.
The comments on this post make me think that this must be a fascinating show. And yeah, some of the stuff in the Torah about the possibility of other gods/powers is kind of ambiguous and interesting. Sometimes the understanding seems to be that yes there are other powers (ie magic and so on, or that these other powers did exist at some point), it's just that you're not supposed to turn to them/anything apart from the one God, but sometimes it's more like "other gods are false idols and have no actual power and are just invented by people."
Hmmm... I'm intrigued.
It is a fascinating show! You should watch it.
I'll have to investigate. Or wait for DVDs (btw do you know if VMars is going to be on dvd any time soon?)
(also I have not forgotten that I promised to fix some music links for you! it will be done. soonish.)
The UK version of the BSG DVDs are out currently as a Best Buy exclusive, but the set coming out in late September includes the miniseries as well as special features.
VM DVDs come out October 11!
|Date:||October 21st, 2006 03:54 pm (UTC)|| |
I hate Ellen Tigh.
Oh my Lord, yes. And not in a love to hate way either - just in a could someone please kill her or get her off my screen now, thanks.
This colored my views on Tigh as well. I knowed that he's supposed to be flawed and everything and can't command for shit and is easily manipulated by his wife, but dear God it's painful to watch him. I just have no sympathy.
God, it's so funny that you chose to remark on my Ellen Tigh views because I was just thinking about those views last night.
Man, it's weird about Tigh and Ellen. Just wait till you get to them in season three. I mean, don't change your opinions of them now or anything. Because I had pretty similar opinions at this time, and they were valid. But you'll see a different side of them eventually.
|Date:||October 21st, 2006 08:12 pm (UTC)|| |
No one kills her? Damn.
Sorry! She lives to bitch another day. I mean, I never expected anyone to kill her, but I know people were speculating that she was a Cylon. I thought she was just...you know, irritating as all get-out in the way humans can be. But can you imagine Tigh with anyone else? That's the thing. Heh.