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June 8th, 2005

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11:30 pm - The Hottie of the Lambs (TM ohimesamamama)
spectralbovine: So, what'd you think?
ohimesamamama: I...was torn. There were moments I loved, and there were moments I was saying 'get thee to a script doctor'. It deserves at least a second episode's viewing for me to have an opinion. I don't love it immediately, but it's a fabulous cast and shows promise.
spectralbovine: Yeah, it does.
spectralbovine: There were definite points in the script where I was like...what? I've come to expect better than this.
ohimesamamama: I want more Adam Baldwin and Katie Finneran. I want Jay Harrington to do as well as I know he can. And yes, that's exactly it; there were parts that were just LAUGHABLY bad. And I'm less than impressed with the Hottie of the Lambs as an actress, although she's not bad, just...pretty green in places.
ohimesamamama: It's worth mocking if it doesn't start bringing its A-game, but if it does grab the A-game, it's a perfectly good summer series.

I'm more of a fan of Tim's writing than Mars (I think I'm one of, say, three people who loves "Karma Chameleon" dearly), so the bad points irked me in a different way. They just jumped out because the rest of the dialogue was so good, they felt even more unnatural. Maybe profilers getting inside the heads of serial killers really do blather on in psychobabble like that, but it felt really artificial at times, a way for Rebecca to be right so the plot could move along.

But really, that's my only complaint, because I really liked it, for the most part. Rachel Nichols is hot, which never hurts. And I'm really interested in Web and his team, why they exist and how they work together and who they really are. Plus, blipverts! The serial killer plot was twisty and turny and exciting and creepy, so cool. It did feel like the kind of psychological thriller you'd see in a theater. Basically, The Inside gets my recommendation, and I'm definitely watching, but I have to get spoilery to get into why.

The teaser twist was sweet and yet I should have seen it coming, because it totally sets up Rebecca's entrance. I like that she's carrying three thousand pounds of stuff and it's all awkward.

"What do you have that he needs?"
"A conscience."

How did Web get power like this, such that he's semi-autonomous to pick and drop cases at his will? How did he find his conscience, when did he lose his, did he ever have one? "Damn. I got that backward." And the fact that he'd been watching Rebecca all that time is pretty fucking creepy. Just waiting for the time he could use her.

I liked how we learned about Danny and Mel through their dialogue and actions. I see them as foils for each other right now, though I'm wondering how they fit into Web's grand scheme.

A long time ago, Tim said something about an "existential battle for [Rebecca's] soul," and now I totally see it. Paul vs. Web. This will be interesting.

Identity issues! Even if they were a little heavy-handed in the serial killer plot, I can see they're very present in Rebecca. She's changed her name. She's not that girl anymore. OR IS SHE OMG. Cause that ice cream man is totally her kidnapper. Does our past define who we are? Are the members of Web's team just extensions of his psyche? "I know all your problems. That's why you're here."

I really liked all those flashes with Rebecca's dialogue coming out of other women's mouths and shit. That was way cool. I also really liked the way she worked her way to the subway revelation, how she kind of subtly shifted back and forth between first and second person (I think subconsciously, for her). Both those scenes show well that she really does get inside the heads of the victims...and as tiggz suggests, because she was one herself.

Someone somewhere described the show as a character-driven drama disguised as a procedural, and I think that's true. I think the MOTW will be fun and unusual, but I'll really be watching for the characters. I am intrigued.
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Date:June 9th, 2005 03:48 am (UTC)
I agree with you - this is definitely a character-driven show. I'm going to be tuning in for more next Wednesday.

Gosh, my meta tonight is the suck. I apologize. Perhaps tomorrow I'll have a more cogent reaction. :)
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Date:June 9th, 2005 04:19 am (UTC)
It was a little too "let's mush The X-Files and Profiler together!" for me but I was entertained, so I think I'll stick with it. Some of the dialogue was clunky, but pilots generally are. I wish Adam Baldwin could play something other than the guy that pisses everyone off by being contrary, but I guess if you do somehting well, you should stick to it. Heh.

Also? BAD HAIR! Did he shoot that right after Firefly ended or something? Because that has GOT to be a rug on his melon. Peter Coyote has always sort of freaked me out and he didn't disappoint there. I think they did a pretty good job getting the character driven-ness across, because I am more interested in the people solving the crimes than the actual crime at this point. Plus, I was a little surprised by the twist, so it gets points for that.

I'll keep watching but if it was on against something I really liked, I am not sure I would take the effort to download or record it.
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Date:June 9th, 2005 04:27 am (UTC)
It's worth mocking if it doesn't start bringing its A-game, but if it does grab the A-game, it's a perfectly good summer series.

Unfortunately, the next episode is a lot less good, so I anticipate more mocking next week... I really liked the third ep, though, so hopefully that'll be more the direction of the rest of the series.
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Date:June 9th, 2005 04:49 am (UTC)
I liked it, especially the set-up of Paul vs. Web for Rebecca's soul. Jay Harrington, whom I've seen as a guest start on other shows before, was well cast as Paul, I thought. Right mix of sincerity, genuine concern, and self-righteousness. And Web was fabulous. I love Peter Coyote.

Also echoing your praise about the scene at the dead woman's apartment. That was creepy and sad; the contrast between Rebecca's default state--sort of blank stillness--and the animation in her voice as she was channeling the victim was v. interesting. It was like the only time she had any kind of personality was when she was inhabiting someone else's experience, because Rebecca on her own had so little to offer (or so deeply repressed.)
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Date:June 9th, 2005 05:09 am (UTC)
"Damn. I got that backward."
Oh, that was definitely the Best Line of the Episode.

As you said, there were points that were excellent and parts that were... well, blah. Not bad, per se, but it didn't jump over that "standard precudural" mark. And Adam Baldwin and Katie Finneran need more things to do (especially Katie - she didn't even have that much dialogue).

But the main actress impressed me and I've never seen Jay Harrington in anything, but he still impressed me and Peter Coyote is fucking creepy. Especially sitting in a darkened room. And I too see that existential battle of Rebecca's soul. I hope the show can jump the hurdle from "okay" to "fan-fucking-tastic."
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Date:June 9th, 2005 05:52 am (UTC)
The beginning had me wondering, but I love Tim Minear and Katie Finneran so much that I was going to give it more time. I like it, but I really dislike the girl playing Rebecca. She looks like a young poor man's Jodie Foster. And she's bad. BUT, it's the only show on right now that I like, so...
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Date:June 9th, 2005 10:09 am (UTC)

To do or not to do...

I am predisposed to like this given its pedigree but the reviews haven't been too glowing. Isn't FUX (typo intended) quick off the mark to dispose of shows that don't hit immediately? Should I go to the trouble of getting hold of it?
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Date:June 9th, 2005 10:34 am (UTC)
I also love Karma Chameleon.
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Date:June 9th, 2005 02:57 pm (UTC)
Yay! I knew I liked you for a reason.
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Date:June 9th, 2005 09:09 pm (UTC)
Wait, there are people who don't like Karma Chameleon? Dude, I sing that to myself on almost a daily basis — and it's not with disgust or regret.
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Date:June 9th, 2005 01:57 pm (UTC)
I'll keep watching just for Adam Baldwin. Though I wish they'd give him more to do, nobody can deliver a smart-ass remark like that man. Though, does my thinking, "He's so adorable!" every time he's on screen take away something from the creepiness?

AICN told us to watch for Angel references in the show, and I missed them all, but they totally missed the Buffy reference. The last victim says, "Lurk, much?" to her apartment manager when he surprises her outside her door. TOTAL Buffy language.

I'll keep watching, 'cause it's summer and there's little else, plus, you can't deny that it totally hits the creep factor it's going for.
Date:June 9th, 2005 02:05 pm (UTC)
I watched it. It was ok. A little overboard in some ways, but I almost never like pilot episodes (exception is Lost)
Some parts made me snicker though. Especially that last line that guy had. Hmm...something like "you bet I will" or something?
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Date:June 9th, 2005 02:58 pm (UTC)
I think it was "Count on it." Paul vs. Web. FIGHT!
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Date:June 9th, 2005 10:49 pm (UTC)
I was suitably entertained to tune in again. I pretty much mostly agree with you, except that the main chickie kind of annoyed me vaguely. Also I figured out the killer thing early which, well, I tend to do, but it made some of those heavy-handed parts seem a little more heavy-handed as it was leading up to a reveal I was already all over. And then the rest of the heavy-handed was about her OMG! INDENTIY CRISIS which...meh. Then, pilots suck in many instances and sometimes they shows don't continue to do so.

And, you know, Adam Baldwin. And entertainment. And potential. But mostly Adam Baldwin. Because I thoroughly enjoy yelling, "Adam!" like a spaz every time he shows up.

And this is why I watched it alone.
Date:June 10th, 2005 07:34 pm (UTC)
I actually liked it, even if some of the dialogue was a little shudder-worthy, and the twists didn't seem all that difficult to figure out. But I like the characters - even Jody light - and everything that has Adam Baldwin in it gets bonus points. It does remind me quite a bit of Profiler, though (from the female profiler - older mentor - younger protective colleague angle to the credits), so I just hope it'll get better than that show was.

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