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11:08 pm - Vroom, Vroom!
So, who watched Drive?

When I watched the pilot for the first time, I found myself overly distracted by how different it was from the script I'd read many months ago. Clearly, that was a very early draft, and a later draft I read also had some changes I didn't like, but the pilot I read was how the show had imprinted on me, and that's what I was expecting. This is why I don't like spoilers! I was so concerned with what was not what I was expecting that I couldn't appreciate what I was getting. Some were very minor things, like the fact that the phone used to be red, which I thought was neat and made it seem out-of-place and recognizable as "one of those freaky Race phones." Some were structural, like the fact that you don't find out Corinna has any connection to the Race at all until the bathroom scene; I still feel like it was an awesome reveal in the script and having her establish straight out that she knows about the Race takes away from some of the mystery of her character. Probably the biggest difference (besides, of course, the addition of Ivy) is that the Salazars appeared to have undergone a huge reworking. In the original script, they were more like the Winchesters, brothers with a clearly established relationship whose playful antagonism provided humor. This new version obviously has more potential for drama.

I think all pilots are better on a rewatch because then you can see it as an episode of television rather than a bunch of new shit being thrown at you. Winston's plotline in particular is much cooler when rewatching since when you first see it, you don't really know what the hell is going on until the reveal with Sean.

I was a little underwhelmed initially, which was only natural since I was so excited with the vision of the early script in my head, but after three episodes, I'm really digging it. I'm getting a little confused and disoriented, however, at a show that's giving up so many answers so very early! Alex's secret past? There it is! Corinna's secret past? There it is! Everyone's secret past? We're almost there! They're going to run out of secrets at this rate! But I'm sure they'll find more; there are so many layers of deception on this show.

And that's the fun of it! There are a lot of interesting characters. Alex Tully is way cooler now that we know he was some sort of speed demon hoodlum before settling down to become a landscaper (and Tim TOTALLY FUCKING RIPPED HIMSELF OFF with that "You don't want to meet the real Alex Tully" shit). Corinna is intriguing because one wonders just how much she knows about the Race, since she was able to sneak herself into this latest one. I don't think I liked Wendy at all in the script I read, but oh my God, now I know why people were watching the show just for Melanie Lynskey. She's awesome. And hilarious ("I think maybe I shoulda shot you"). I really like Winston, but oh my fucking God, if he says "Holmes" one more time, I'm going to smack him. Sean seems like he's developing a backbone. Violet is amusing, but it's sort of freaky how she sounds like a thirty-year-old smoker. I'm really hoping John doesn't die because I like Dylan Baker from Happiness. Ellie provides me with two things I like: red hair and cleavage. And Mr. Bright! Not how I imagined him when he was going to be played by Nicholas Lea, but this spin on him also works in a completely different way. Down-home, folksy evil is good fun. And I love that he's obsessed with his PowerPoint.

I also love the driving scenes; I think they achieved the effect they were going for. They're always so exciting with the fast cars and the camera fucking flying every which way. And then you can get shenanigans like Rick's awesome trucker trap and Alex inexplicably driving three hundred miles an hour and overtaking everyone in the main cast to the tune of "Leave You Far Behind" (cute, huh?).

And as a fan of riddles and shit, I like the clues and stuff, even though I'm not sure how easy or hard they're supposed to be; I hope for more clue-based plots where racers misinterpret the clue and end up in the wrong place or ones that are particularly difficult that require them to work together or something. I also like that they can have a sense of humor about it ("Let me see, he gave us a ticket with an address. I think that's our clue." / "'Admit One'. You think this is a clue?").

Right now, my main confusions are with the Race itself. I have no problem buying that these people were coerced for whatever reason into doing this Race. I do find it implausible that our main characters appear to get to the checkpoints at around the same time yet are slower than the dozens of other racers who are already there, but that's TV. I don't quite get how the Race works, though. For starters, while it's bad to be last, there doesn't seem to be any actual point in getting to the checkpoint first. So I don't quite get what all the racing is about if the only point is not to be last. Then there's the issue of, like, the fifty-thousand operatives that our racers run into. Seriously, are these people allowed to run into ANY perfect strangers? Because if everyone they meet turns out to be part of the Race (or, say, a bounty hunter), it's not a surprise! It's kind of a cool idea, yes (Tim did say the show was part The Game), but I'm already getting a little annoyed with it! Because it's going to make the characters look stupid if they keep trusting random people they encounter.

And, finally, the biggest question of all: WHY? Why are the people in charge even holding this Race? Why are they choosing these specific people? It looks like Corinna's parents were just about to cross the finish line when they were just run off the road and killed. Is this Race run by sadistic fucks, is that it? Does anyone actually get to win and take home the $32 million?

I know I'm in good hands, however, so I'll just enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts. When the latest episode ended and the title showed, I exclaimed, "Oh, you fuckers!" I want another episode right now, and that's a good sign.
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From:zetetyc
Date:April 17th, 2007 03:25 am (UTC)
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ep1 and 2 are torrented, will get 3 tomorrow and watch them all later in the week
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From:spectralbovine
Date:April 17th, 2007 03:33 am (UTC)
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A third episode aired tonight.
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From:latropita
Date:April 17th, 2007 03:40 am (UTC)
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I don't know, I was pretty underwhelmed by it. I liked Tully and Wendy, and the brothers were interesting, but overall I'm just not sold on the concept, I guess. I don't care about far-fetched premises, but the world they created doesn't feel whole.
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From:gymble
Date:April 17th, 2007 03:47 am (UTC)
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To be honest the show felt too out there for me. I didn't stick around for the second half last night. I just can't really buy into the premise. As you said, the Race organizers don't have a motive that could make sense. I can't imagine any twist that would suddenly make everything fit. And as for the participants - I don't get them either. Sure, some are coerced, but some choose it. And why would anyone coerce someone into doing this anyway? It just doesn't work for me.
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From:dlgood
Date:April 17th, 2007 03:48 am (UTC)
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Does anyone actually get to win and take home the $32 million?


No way dude.
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From:dlgood
Date:April 17th, 2007 10:39 pm (UTC)
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Thanks. Now if only some of those players could develop soon... I think my grandmother could pitch for them this year...
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From:silentsiren47
Date:April 17th, 2007 03:56 am (UTC)
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Because if everyone they meet turns out to be part of the Race (or, say, a bounty hunter), it's not a surprise!
Yeah, I was thinking about this. Basically, it seems like they could knock out or even kill anyone else they encounter, since they'd be evil race-runner people.

I'm glad Alex got a real car to use to race. I'd like a little more emphasis on the cars, actually, but I have a feeling they can't manage it without going majorly into product-placement land.

And I'd forgotten about it, but back when you told people to watch, you promised me Nicholas Lea!
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From:spectralbovine
Date:April 17th, 2007 04:07 am (UTC)
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It's not my fault they recast!
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From:zetetyc
Date:April 17th, 2007 08:39 pm (UTC)
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yes it is.
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From:cofax7
Date:April 17th, 2007 06:04 pm (UTC)
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I like Charles Martin Smith, but Nick Lea? Man, that would also have rocked. Would have been a lot more scary menace, instead of folksy menace.
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From:silentsiren47
Date:April 17th, 2007 06:32 pm (UTC)
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Not to mention hot menace.
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From:beardoggx
Date:April 17th, 2007 03:59 am (UTC)
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Watched all the episodes so far, and it's awesome.
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From:shamoogity
Date:April 17th, 2007 04:31 am (UTC)
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Three hours!? I thought I was all ahead of the game, watching the first two hours on Friday. So this means Canada won't actually be ahead I guess; we'll be behind? Boo.
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From:soleta_nf
Date:April 17th, 2007 04:56 pm (UTC)
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The third hour aired in Canada yesterday (it did on my Fox network anyway; I slept through it, but I saw the commercials Sunday night when the premiere aired on Fox). Unless CTV is airing that again on another night. Which would be awesome since, you know, I missed it.
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From:shamoogity
Date:April 17th, 2007 08:39 pm (UTC)
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It wasn't on CTV last night. I'm pretty sure CTV is going to continue airing it on Fridays, but I could be wrong.
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From:soleta_nf
Date:April 17th, 2007 08:40 pm (UTC)
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Ooh sweet. I'll catch it this Friday, and then next Monday. Sometimes being Canadian rawks. :)
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From:niteflite
Date:April 17th, 2007 04:43 am (UTC)
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I am officially hooked on this show. Really.

I admit, I'm not caring for all the characters yet (even with the extensive "heart" given to the Lambo Army Drop-out and chick, I'm not feeling them yet) but the storytelling is choice.

Although, there was a point where I was like, "Hello? You're all off the road. And you know... not moving. Was there a point to this race? Is the Lizard going to win after all?"
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From:rowanceleste
Date:April 17th, 2007 04:54 am (UTC)
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I watched both episodes on Sunday but I forgot to record it today and didn't get home in time. I'm going to have to get the episode and watch it which is why I'm actually not reading the details of your post first. Hee.
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From:upanashad
Date:April 17th, 2007 05:03 am (UTC)
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I think it's cheesy and over the top, but I...enjoyed the ride?

Actually, I forgot to record it last night, but I watched tonight's just now, and I pretty much enjoyed it. I think with me and shows - if they're sort of good I get really picky and demand excellence, but then I can also go for crazy fun drama and not get too nitpicky about it, and that's what this is to me. So yeah, I thought it was kind of fun. But I'm also not able to ask too many questions right now since I missed last night.

I think I'll keep watching.
From:hobviously
Date:April 17th, 2007 06:52 am (UTC)
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and Tim TOTALLY FUCKING RIPPED HIMSELF OFF with that "You don't want to meet the real Alex Tully" shit

That was so lame. All the Mal fans are already watching despite how little interest they have in the show. He can't just be recreated with a couple of catchphrases and a Fillion jawclench. I love Firefly because of how the characters relate to each other, because on occasion it's hilarious to hit a man with a closed fist, because it's a whole world I care about. Want me to be interested in this show, Minear? Try casting actors who can act and aren't annoying, and write them believable roles. Things aren't automatically interesting just because there are secrets. They have to have some sort of connection instead of being walking situations.

And nobody will ever be Mal again, so DON'T DO THAT.
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From:r_a_l_i_g_h
Date:April 17th, 2007 04:04 pm (UTC)
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Heh. This is true.
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From:anifsemaj
Date:April 17th, 2007 11:39 am (UTC)
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Loved it!!!
Watched it "live" Sun & Mon - & am running off to download it so I can watch it (all three episodes) again before next week to see what I had missed the 1st time through.

Oh, & I'll admit it - I'm a total Firefly fangirl. Opening scene with Nathan Fillion (Mal!) and Richard Brooks (OMG it's Jubal Early!) and I died a happy little fangirl death.

That said, I'm actually very intrigued with the other racers, not just Alex Tully - the mommy, the brothers, both very interesting cars to watch!
From:wee_warrior
Date:April 17th, 2007 01:17 pm (UTC)
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I'm mostly on the "it makes no sense, but is kind of fun" side of things, but I need them to either make certain characters interesting fast, or get rid of them. Soldierboy and wife are horrible, and I'm really not fond of the blonde chick other than that she gives Melanie Lynskey some opportunity to interact and have dialogue. Same goes for the Preppie brother, though I can feeling Kevin Alejandro's charm wearing thin as we speak as well. And I want to keep Dylan Baker because he is awesome, but I fear he is marked for death, much like his unconvincing teenage daughter is marked for a romance with Sean. But hey, cars. And Katie Finneran!
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From:evilstmars
Date:April 17th, 2007 01:20 pm (UTC)
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I find myself analyzing other stuff about the show than I've seen mentioned so far, which probably means it warrants a post of me being pedantic about it. I really like it so far, and despite missing half the show yesterday, I screamed at the screen too for the ending of the half I did see.

I think the 'stupid fun' effect may be a good way to keep people from analyzing to death; it sets their hurdles lower. I don't think that's a bad thing. I have plenty of very 'thinky' television that I watch already. They took away my "The OC". I'm ready for stupid fun.
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From:harper47
Date:April 17th, 2007 02:29 pm (UTC)
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I can't read your post yet because I've only seen the first two episodes from Sunday but I loved it. It plays on my Amazing Race love and I can't wait to see the episode from last night. After I watch my tape tonight, I'll come back and read your reactions.
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From:bellanut
Date:April 17th, 2007 02:38 pm (UTC)
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I really like Winston, but oh my fucking God, if he says "Holmes" one more time, I'm going to smack him.

That's my biggest complaint about the show right there. I should really like that guy, but I just can't because of that. And I'm even more sad now that I hear the brothers were originally more comical. This show does have a sense of humour, and that's why I might like it more than shows like Prison Break and 24, but I wouldn't have complained about even more funny.

I agree with your complaints about the race, too. I don't so much mind not knowing how it works, because that puts me in the same position as the racers, and it's enough for me to know that they're following orders without really knowing what's going on either. But hopefully people will start to question things, or figure things out a bit more out as things go along. But I can see the operatives getting old fast. Even if they keep tricking the characters they've already stopped tricking the audience. We'll see, I guess. I'm accepting that a major suspension of belief is required to follow this show.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:April 17th, 2007 10:14 pm (UTC)
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Dammit, maxymama! When the show gets cancelled, I'm blaming YOU!

And a few million other people, but who's counting?
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From:lodessa
Date:April 17th, 2007 04:01 pm (UTC)
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there are plans in the works to watch
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From:r_a_l_i_g_h
Date:April 17th, 2007 04:01 pm (UTC)
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So, I'm getting the impression that there's some sort of secret, illegal, cross-country road race?


Of course, for as much as they SAY that, there sure seems to be an inordinate number of people who know about it.

Granted, most of them are IN the race, but still, how'd they find out? Alex was coerced into it, but some of the others seem like they CHOSE to join because it'd be "fun" (And, okay, after the third hour, it seems like a lot more people are a lot more desperate than they originally appeared. But still, can there really be THAT many people THAT desperate? For that many different reasons? I mean "last chance before I die"/"save my baby from abusive husband"/"I just got out of prison and have nothing to lose"/"they have my wife" - but what about the old pair of biker lovebirds? And all the others?)

Furthermore, are all of these first-timers? (I get the uneasy feeling that the Race doesn't allow for a lot of repeat business. - But if that's the case, what about Corrina? Or did it take her the past 27 years to track it down for the first time?)

As for the "WHY?" - I get the impression this is an updated, high-tech, less-contatined version of a gladiator ring. With elements of a horse race, a dog fight, and bear baiting thrown in.

You know, - members of the rich and powerful spend their idle time by selecting individuals and pitting them against one another - "my guy can totally defeat yours"

Reminds me of those scenes in the Harryhausen movies like Jason and the Argonauts, where the gods of Olympus are all" "My champion is the best" "Oh yeah? Well, let's see if he's still hot stuff after a little earthquake!" "Sure, bring it on! *travels to earth* "Hey, dude, here's a magic helmet/shoes/Dodge Challenger"
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From:spectralbovine
Date:April 17th, 2007 10:16 pm (UTC)
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So, I'm getting the impression that there's some sort of secret, illegal, cross-country road race?
I think! I'm not entirely sure.

some of the others seem like they CHOSE to join because it'd be "fun"
From what Ivy said, it seems more like they were offered the chance, and they took it. I don't think anyone but Corinna sought out the Race.

But if that's the case, what about Corrina? Or did it take her the past 27 years to track it down for the first time?
Well, maybe now's the first time it's been run since her parents died.

As for the "WHY?" - I get the impression this is an updated, high-tech, less-contatined version of a gladiator ring. With elements of a horse race, a dog fight, and bear baiting thrown in.
Eep! It does sound like that, with the "Someone's got a lot of money riding on you" comment.
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From:r_a_l_i_g_h
Date:April 30th, 2007 03:54 pm (UTC)
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Of course NOW we'll never get the chance to find out.




Stupid FOX.


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From:soleta_nf
Date:April 17th, 2007 05:01 pm (UTC)
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I'm on the 'it doesn't really make sense, but I'll watch it for Nathan Fillion/Tim Minear' side. It doesn't help that I only saw 3/4 of the second episode (was working on that essay, and I was so tired from the essay and subsequent 2 hours of sleep that I fell asleep last night at 6 p.m.). But it looks okay, and as long as it doesn't conflict with 24 or Heroes (which it might in Canada), then I'm in. :)
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From:honeybunnylilb
Date:April 17th, 2007 06:15 pm (UTC)
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I was watching episode 3 last night and Tully managed to pass all people that were ahead of him by an hour or so on the freeway my mind literally exploded. Insta-migraine! Having driven 7 hours this weekend from Toronto, I know that it's damn near impossible to make up that distance unless you are flying. What did these people do? Did they all pullover and eat at a diner for 2 hours when Alex was in faux-interrogation? I can understand why the Winchester-lites were held up, but not everyone else.

I so badly want to love this show and the only way I am going to be able to do that is if I check logic and personal experience at the door. Otherwise I had fun but not as much fun as watching Hot Fuzz.
From:metabeta
Date:April 17th, 2007 07:07 pm (UTC)

"Radar Love" is stuck in my head.

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I *just* sent an e-mail to Schwa about this very show so I'll copy that in here:

"I just watched all three 'Drive' episodes and I have to say that I kind of like it. There aren't too many characters so everything's all nice and compact, just like Minear had going on "Firefly" with all the main characters being able to fit in one tiny spaceship. It's like if they really wanted to, all these guys could pack into the mom's minivan.

Also, Fillion's furrowed brow ALONE can carry a TV series like nobody's business. I love that guy."
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From:spectralbovine
Date:April 17th, 2007 10:18 pm (UTC)

Re: "Radar Love" is stuck in my head.

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Hee. That would be great if at the end, all of the main cast just squeezed into Wendy's minivan. $32 million split eleventy billion ways ain't half bad either!
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From:pixie37373
Date:April 17th, 2007 10:24 pm (UTC)
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I watched because you told me to watch. I will continue to watch because I enjoyed it, and because I want to see if they can keep it up. I made Kevin watch it with me, and it's fun to be around that boy as he picks out the totally random people that showed up on some episode of Buffy/Angel/Firefly. Also, I think I'd truly watch anything with that beautiful man in it.
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From:ethanvahlere
Date:April 18th, 2007 12:36 am (UTC)
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I liked this as well. I do have some nagging questions, like why the hell didn't Corrina tell Alex the truth right away if she knew why he was in the race? You'd think she want him on his side right away, rather than just lie about it. And why did they cast someone who looks almost exactly like Lindsay Lohan as Dylan Baker's daughter (him I like in general, and he was good), and who has less ability than she does (and I'm not even a fan of LL. Though I do admit faux-LL grew on me in the third ep). And I'm not loving the young couple - the writing is okay, but the actors are just hitting one note over and over again.

I'm with everyone on Nathan Fillion - he's really good. And that smile he gives when he's racing past everyone? So cree-pey. I'm glad he's got a checkered past.

Oh, and one thing this has in common with Death Proof; another reminder that, when you get a chance, you need to rent the original Vanishing Point. Great fucking movie.
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From:etherealclarity
Date:April 18th, 2007 03:17 am (UTC)
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Hmm... I'm getting the impression that no one in the race knows how long it's going to last, or where the finish line will be.

I'm really enjoying it so far. And dude! Amy Acker is Alex's wife. How awesome??? I love Amy Acker. Melanie Lynskey is also awesome. So many cool people involved with this show... guess we'll see if I stay interested. So far I'm hooked! :)
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From:dahliam
Date:April 19th, 2007 01:16 am (UTC)
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Yeah, I was thrown by the lack of red phones too. :-) I'm not completely sold, though the end of the third episode totally got me riled up to see more. I didn't like Wendy at first, but she's definitely growing on me. The non-Whedon verse actors are totally impressing me more than I thought they would. Even if they all seem too standard-TV-pretty to me. Especially the Army guy and his wife, but their argument on the side of the road really worked for me.

(back to squee mode)
And OMG, Katie Finneran with long hair! Soooo pretty. Plus, I totally didn't get this before reading a review, but the detective investigating Alex's wife's (*cough*Fred*cough*) disappearance is Jubal Early from Objects In Space. Holy crap!

So yeah, interesting so far, and I'll definitely keep watching. Can't say Fox didn't advertise this one enough, but I am a bit disappointed by the luke-warm critic reviews.
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From:tarfrimmer
Date:April 19th, 2007 08:11 pm (UTC)
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now I know why people were watching the show just for Melanie Lynskey.

My jaw dropped when I realized the reason she seemed so familiar to me was because she was in Heavenly Creatures. She looks and sounds so different!

Is this Race run by sadistic fucks, is that it? Does anyone actually get to win and take home the $32 million?

My theory is that each of the sadistic fucks running the race each hand-picked their own driver and has some ungodly sum of money riding on them winning. If their driver wins, maybe they do actually pay out, from their own winnings. In an effort to lessen the risk of cheated people being tempted to go public. Then again, maybe everyone racing gets offed so as to prevent loose lips from speaking up.

Totally digging the series. It's fun even when it doesn't make sense! :)

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