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November 22nd, 2006


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12:11 am - And You Think I'm Repungent?
Would any of you describe me as a big, swarthy dude with a cheesy goatee?

I'm sad to say I was pretty meh on this episode.

If someone would explain the A plot to me, that would be nice. Because I couldn't follow it. There was something about ten years and divorce settlements and dogs and stocks and I have no bloomin' idea, but I think it all ended up having nothing at all to do with the Board of Trustees vote, so...whatever. And Patty Hearst, though an amusing bit of stunt-casting, is a terrible actress. I am surprised she managed to make it out of the paper bag. In every scene she was in, I could not care because of her bland line readings and lack of personality.

Thankfully, we got Keri Lynn Pratt in a bikini out of the deal. Everyone may hate her voice, but she's pretty. But I could not for the life of me understand why Veronica was being so mean to her. Hallie had been really nice to her. And before we get into the whole "Veronica's ALWAYS a HORRENDOUS BITCH to EVERYONE and GOD I HATE HER," please read this, courtesy of amberlynne. She was doing pretty good this episode, actually. She was just playfully accusatory to Fern to see how she would react (and I loved her cute little "ba dum, pum" when her pun flopped). I couldn't figure out why Hallie deserved that treatment, though. Of course, I also couldn't figure out what she was being accused of (besides walking dogs), since, like I said...A plot confusing.

But there was lots of good stuff too! Keith and Veronica haven't worked together in ages, so that was fun. I loved Veronica's Bionic Woman impression, although it wasn't as good as Bill Haverchuck's, because nothing is. ("Wait, let me switch over to my bionic ear.") I may have cheered when we first saw Wallace, and I loved that he went to help that girl. Loved the Smithers/Burns reference. I laughed at the "expert witness." And when Selma was all, "Have you ever been a walking joke, on a national scale?" I exclaimed, "Yes!" and Keith was all, "Actually..." HEE. Oh, callbacks to the pilot. You always win.

Looking back, I think the A plot was probably well written, but it could have been less boring.

"It's not like this is all some new facet of my personality. You know who I am. You know what I do."
"And?"
"And it isn't going to change. And if you can't accept that, then this isn't going to work."
"You know who I am. And you're constantly expecting me to change. And even now you're saying 'Crap, he has a point,' you still think you're ultimately right."

Point. Set. Match. Logan. And this once again shows that the writers are very aware of Veronica's characterization as of late.

I'm not sure what I think of Veronica's reaction to the bodyguard because my initial reaction was "Aw, that's sweet." Of course, Veronica does have a point that, er, having someone follow her around at a time when she's paranoid about someone following her around...may not be the best idea. But he was only doing it in her best interest, much like the time he pulled a gun on the Fitzpatricks. Veronica isn't much with the gratitude, is she?

So then there's the whole Patrice Pitrelli thing, and is that a Heroes shout-out even though they spelled the name wrong? I mean, is Pitrelli that common a name? I feel like there had to be some influence there. I mean, there's even a Peter/Patrice thing going on, and Peter walked off a building too. Anyway, very interesting that they brought back that whole secret room thing, and now we know why Nish was so insistent on its existence. Hm. I actually sort of like Nish now. She's got a nice vaguely menacing air about her.

But we also finally discovered the reason for their vendetta against the frats, why they would be willing to fake a rape for the sake of...justice or whatever. It also seems like Nancy probably faked her rape, although Dawn, Stacy, and Parker had to have been real because they couldn't have been in on it. The lack of DNA evidence is still puzzling. Maybe the rapist is Sylar.

And then Veronica tells them they're full of crap, which, good. I don't get why everyone is assuming that just because there's this group of vengeful feminists doing dirty deeds, that Rob is making a statement about all feminists ever ever in the world. I don't understand why it's bad for fictional characters to do something especially when it's clear the show doesn't condone it in the least. This is noir. This is about good people doing bad things for good causes. Or what they think are good causes. I think it's nice and twisted. If they weren't calling themselves "feminists," would that make it better? Yes, it would be better if they hadn't been so one-note and unsympathetic all season, but I rather liked the scene with Veronica in the inner sanctum. They seemed like real people, then.

LoVe ÷ Piz = SHUT UP AERIE GIRLS.
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From:snoopypez
Date:November 22nd, 2006 08:24 am (UTC)
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Oh man, the Aerie Girls talked about V/L and Piz? Ah, nice to see the preepmtion over here had SOME good. ;)

Also, I really have nothing to say about your post. I just wanted to say that when Veronica figured out the date code and looked it up in the library, I thought very strongly of the helpmeveronica thing. :D
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From:raelee
Date:November 22nd, 2006 08:27 am (UTC)
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OH! Thank you for reminding me. Looking up the and there being fishy stuff with the sororities/frats totally made me think of HMV.
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From:raelee
Date:November 22nd, 2006 08:25 am (UTC)
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Yeah.

I like Sylar as the rapist although, it isn't quite his style. He's just cut off the head, rather than shave the hair. I'm sad that the rest of those girls were in on the faking... but I'm going to assume that they knew about it but it doesn't mean the rest of the girls they got to protest knew anything. Another reason, they wouldn't want Veronica's story published. But, wait, you think Nancy faked her rape too? Was she there in the room? Why do you think that?

I like how Nish didn't confirm anything but this does seem to throw out the feminists as suspects. Which helps me because it's yet another "entity" eliminated.

Anyway, sorry, getting distracted by thoughts. Tired thoughts too.

I don't get why everyone is assuming that just because there's this group of vengeful feminists doing dirty deeds, that Rob is making a statement about all feminists ever ever in the world.

YES! I don't get that either and agree with everything you said in that paragrah.

PS: I do think Veronica was over the top again in this episode and I really think I'm noticing it because of how she wasn't like that in the past few episodes. It doesn't make ME like her any less but it does seem a little much at times. I want realistic!Veronica not punchline!Veronica.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:November 22nd, 2006 08:39 am (UTC)
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But, wait, you think Nancy faked her rape too? Was she there in the room? Why do you think that?
Mostly because I got the impression that she was One of Them before, and what better way to stir up trouble then start out the year with her yelling at everyone? I mean, we already knew Claire faked her rape, so I also don't understand why people are getting up in arms about that anew.

I want realistic!Veronica not punchline!Veronica.
I thought she was a little toned down for the most part, except in some parts.
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From:mutinousmuse
Date:November 22nd, 2006 08:32 am (UTC)
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My gripe with the portrayal of the feminists is precisely because some of the rapes are real and ongoing. What we're getting is a group of women's rights activists who, upon observing that there really is a serial rapist on campus, decide not to attempt to figure out who is behind the rapes and stop them/him, but instead use the crimes as an opportunity to settle a grudge from three years back. This makes them seem stupid, vengeful and ultimately unconcerned about actual violence against women. Seeing as that is the only portrayal of feminism we've ever gotten from the show (and given the writers' past proclivity to paint with broad brushstrokes when it moves the plot along), I think it's fair to be angry as a feminist who has been personally active in the movement to educate about and end violence against women.

/rant
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From:spectralbovine
Date:November 22nd, 2006 08:42 am (UTC)
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This makes them seem stupid, vengeful and ultimately unconcerned about actual violence against women.
Right, and Veronica says that.

I think it's fair to be angry as a feminist who has been personally active in the movement to educate about and end violence against women.
I do agree that it would have been nice to balance them out with a feminist who didn't suck.
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From:mawombat
Date:November 22nd, 2006 08:38 am (UTC)
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theoretically, to answer your rhetorical question, I guess it would be better if they weren't called feminists, because that's just re-inforcing a socially negative stereotype. It's as if they showed yet another single black mother, ...oops they did that didn't they? this is a problem I have with TV in general (and VM does it less than most), but they reinforce societies perception of marginalized groups. And that's not progress!!

that said, I can't wait to actually see the episode!
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From:mutinousmuse
Date:November 22nd, 2006 08:44 am (UTC)
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This is a problem I have with TV in general (and VM does it less than most), but they reinforce societies perception of marginalized groups.

This is why I'm annoyed, too. I'm used to expecting this from TV at large, but I used to consider VM a text that was a little more subversive than the average network drama in its treatment of issues relating to class, race, gender, etc. I miss S1's legitimately complex exploration of class issues and whatnot.
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From:holly96
Date:November 22nd, 2006 09:11 am (UTC)
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It also seems like Nancy probably faked her rape
I can see why you thought that, but I don't think she did. I think it was just Claire, Nish, and Fern. The main reason why I think Nancy wasn't involved was that she's the one who told Veronica about seeing Claire at the ATM machine. I don't think she would have had or provided that information if she was in on it. I think Claire was the only one.

LoVe ÷ Piz = SHUT UP AERIE GIRLS.
Gah. No kidding. And to run that after an episode that Piz wasn't even in, and have that show up on the screen immediately after Logan being all heartbroken? Just, gah. And if you go the site, it's even worse. Everything about it. I mean, "Lo is a loser"? I hope that's a typo and they just forgot the rest of his name, because otherwise, I might have to kill myself. Also: Introducing Stosh Piznarski - a doe-eyed freshman with 70s sensibility towards love and the haircut to match. I mean, what?

Do we get to be rid of all the Aerie crap after the hiatus?
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From:spectralbovine
Date:November 22nd, 2006 09:30 am (UTC)
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The main reason why I think Nancy wasn't involved was that she's the one who told Veronica about seeing Claire at the ATM machine. I don't think she would have had or provided that information if she was in on it.
Oh, interesting. I'd forgotten that. Thanks.

Do we get to be rid of all the Aerie crap after the hiatus?
I think so? I recall that it was only suppose to go till Decemberish.
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From:harper47
Date:November 22nd, 2006 12:53 pm (UTC)
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Maybe it's Sylar - hee, hee, hee.

I agree the A plot, plus uberbitchy Veronica just dialed down what could have been a terrific episode. But the Logan lines were so worth it. I'm glad we at least got to hear what everyone and his brother has been thinking. And you're right - Veronica + gratitude - unmixy things.

I just want Logan to walk away. Come on Logan say buh bye. (And I can't even believe I'm typing that but I am so over Veronica).

I wanted to jump into my television and shake Patty Hearst. God was that terrible. TERRIBLE!!!!

But as you said, lots of good moments scattered in the mess. Wallace, Keith and Veronica, the Logan scene, etc.

Oh well - I can always enjoy the acting workshop Dohring is giving. Man he can work the angst but at least he got to use some deeper, shouting voice levels this week.

And I agree - I liked Nish this week far more than I have in the past. Though Claire's head always takes me out of the scene. Could they not get a better skull cap for her to wear?
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From:fotada
Date:November 22nd, 2006 07:57 pm (UTC)
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I liked the V/K working scenes. But Veronica had *so many* quippy lines, she could barely get one out before the next one was being set up. The Disney bit, bionic bit, and the "we're closed" bit were too closely jammed packed, it was hard to appreciate the lines. They were rushed even by KB.

This is right on. It was quip overkill.
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From:anifsemaj
Date:November 22nd, 2006 01:03 pm (UTC)
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Looking back, I think the A plot was probably well written, but it could have been less boring.
Yea, I was following the A plot just fine, but it was definitely boring.

"You know who I am. And you're constantly expecting me to change. And even now you're saying 'Crap, he has a point,' you still think you're ultimately right."

Point. Set. Match. Logan.

I cheered at the TV screen at this point! I like Logan standing up for himself, in a way that is not breaking lamps or leading to arson.
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From:beardoggx
Date:November 22nd, 2006 01:15 pm (UTC)
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So then there's the whole Patrice Pitrelli thing, and is that a Heroes shout-out even though they spelled the name wrong? I mean, is Pitrelli that common a name? I feel like there had to be some influence there. I mean, there's even a Peter/Patrice thing going on, and Peter walked off a building too.

Didn't think of that until you brought it up. I think it was a shout-out.

Thankfully, we got Keri Lynn Pratt in a bikini out of the deal. Everyone may hate her voice, but she's pretty.

Agreed.

The A-plot? Basically, Selma Rose runs her own version of Wal-Mart, and her husband wants to buy imported products from southeast Asia rather than from American companies(which she does buy from), and those contracts were being signed by her husband in a few days. Her husband and his Smithers used photos of her and Hallie together to get her to "disappear"(even though Hallie was also seeing Mr. Sheffield).

Hope that somewhat explained it.
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From:porpentine
Date:November 22nd, 2006 03:34 pm (UTC)
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The A-plot? Basically, Selma Rose runs her own version of Wal-Mart, and her husband wants to buy imported products from southeast Asia rather than from American companies(which she does buy from), and those contracts were being signed by her husband in a few days. Her husband and his Smithers used photos of her and Hallie together to get her to "disappear"(even though Hallie was also seeing Mr. Sheffield).

Actually: Selma's brother wanted to buy the important products from Asia. Selma's husband was counting on brother being a greedy bastard, taking Selma's disappearance as a reason to push those contracts through, and then push up the stock prices of the company. Then, after their ten year wedding anniversary, when he's entitled to more of a split, he lets Selma come out of hiding and files, thus giving him even more money in the divorce settlement.
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From:jeeperstseepers
Date:November 22nd, 2006 03:22 pm (UTC)
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My insightful observation about the episode is as follows:

Veronica looked really pretty in the red dress.
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From:cals82
Date:November 22nd, 2006 03:56 pm (UTC)
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"Maybe the rapist is Sylar."

Hee. Heroes shoutout! And yeah I squeed a little at the Pi(e)trelli reference. That was probably the only high moment of the ep for me.

I felt a bit lost during this ep. Like I was waiting for the punchline and nothing happened. I really hope this feeling does not continue because I like being 'in the loop' about VM.
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From:duchessdogberry
Date:November 22nd, 2006 03:57 pm (UTC)
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although it wasn't as good as Bill Haverchuck's, because nothing is. ("Wait, let me switch over to my bionic ear.")

I love you for that reference! And too true. "No, these aren't bionic. These are aaaall me."

But he was only doing it in her best interest, much like the time he pulled a gun on the Fitzpatricks. Veronica isn't much with the gratitude, is she?

Because it's fucking creepy.

I actually sort of like Nish now. She's got a nice vaguely menacing air about her.

Yeah, when she stops being a bitch and lets other people talk, she's kind of cool.

LoVe ÷ Piz = SHUT UP AERIE GIRLS.

When that came on the screen, my dad went "What the fuck is with the capital V?" Hee. I chose not to explain.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 22nd, 2006 07:25 pm (UTC)

You proved yourself wrong.

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you just wrote:
"When that came on the screen, my dad went "What the fuck is with the capital V?" Hee. I chose not to explain."

see? that's what makes the aerie girls kind of cool....you just won't admit it, but you already did.
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From:thetheatremouse
Date:November 22nd, 2006 04:06 pm (UTC)
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Thankfully, we got Keri Lynn Pratt in a bikini out of the deal.
We also got her being kinda gay, which I found to be a plus as well, even if it was a ploy.
I'm not sure what I think of Veronica's reaction to the bodyguard because my initial reaction was "Aw, that's sweet." Of course, Veronica does have a point that, er, having someone follow her around at a time when she's paranoid about someone following her around...may not be the best idea.
Part of the reaction comes from the way she found out, though, I think, which is why it made sense to me. It's very different for someone who's been raped, and who is worried about being followed around by a rapist to have some huge guy GRAB HER and carry her out of the room than for her to, say, catch the dude following her, zap him and then have him explain after the fact that he's a bodyguard. So she might've been all overreacty to Logan, but it's superunderstandable. Problem is: they both have a point. Hard to be grateful for extra-trauma-flashbackey-goodness.


From:mangopickle
Date:November 22nd, 2006 05:17 pm (UTC)
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Does anyone else think the way that gay people crop up on this show...is kind of unnerving? I'm just asking an honest question -- not trying to be snarky or ranty here:

Season 1 -- you had that one kid who helps Veronica in a ploy to get Carmen's boyfriend to leave her alone (albeit that was kind of cool and I liked that)

Season 2 -- you had that guy who was leaving dead bus relics at his ex-boyfriend's (or whatever's) parents' house because they wouldn't let him see him again

Season 2 -- you had the same guy as above running a website with a ridiculous title (really? SHIP?) and then you had that lesbian cheerleader being all duplicitous about comprising that ridiculously-titled website's posters and then outing her own girlfriend in the process.

Season 2 -- the transvestite who lured Dick Casablancas into his car (in the same episode that Logan meets Hannah's dad)

Season 3 -- there's Hallie as a girl who feigned being a lesbian to get closer to Bud Rose

You know, I'm probably just being nitpicky, but I just find it weird that anytime we do see a gay/lesbian character, they're always duplicitous, somehow. If people can poke holes in this theory, I'm all for it -- but somewhere back I read that the writing staff is all guys and aside from Veronica's characterization, it's...kind of obvious. At least sexuality isn't depraved on this show to the level of...say Nip/Tuck.

Ok end sidebar!
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From:gymble
Date:November 22nd, 2006 04:48 pm (UTC)
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And before we get into the whole "Veronica's ALWAYS a HORRENDOUS BITCH to EVERYONE and GOD I HATE HER,"
One, I love that Popgurls testimonial. Two, and you know that I usually defend Veronica, she really was overly mean to Hallie. And I found her way too quippy and jumpy.

Point. Set. Match. Logan. And this once again shows that the writers are very aware of Veronica's characterization as of late.
Ah, true. And this makes me feel better about entirely sympathizing with Logan this time around.

I don't get why everyone is assuming that just because there's this group of vengeful feminists doing dirty deeds, that Rob is making a statement about all feminists ever ever in the world.
True. That said, I really, really hate them.
From:mangopickle
Date:November 22nd, 2006 05:03 pm (UTC)
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Sunil, we agree on something.

That something is this: LoVe ÷ Piz = SHUT UP AERIE GIRLS

I don't like how the Aerie Girls are destroying my Veronica Mars viewing experience.

Allow an eye from this queer guy: Get rid of the goatee and do something to your hair that's not unlike Piz's. You're in SF, right? New looks are always good.

Okay and my only qualm with last night's episode: for chrissakes, Patty Hearst wason the show -- WHY NOT DRESS HER UP IN SOMETHING CHIC AND STYLISH AND NOT SUCH A FRUMPY, DOWDY WARDROBE. No, seriously. If she's that wealthy, she would've totally been Morgan Fairchilding it all along. The team behind the show needs to take a cue from the Ugly Betty folks and learn about the values of camp and style -- cause all that would make noir so much tastier and signature (and if this is the show's last season, why not go all-out?)
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From:spectralbovine
Date:November 23rd, 2006 02:43 am (UTC)
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I love my goatee! It's not going anywhere.

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