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June 16th, 2006


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01:53 pm - And I Sense That You Are
So, the votes are in, and Saved by the Bell is indeed a cultural touchstone for my generation. Ghostwriter also made a surprisingly good showing, and the Nickelodeon shows (with the exception of Roundhouse) were expectedly popular. Sadly, the 1995 cancelled trifecta were the big losers, with Space: Above and Beyond coming in dead last.

And speaking of, gymble and I watched the pilot on Wednesday. And, um, maybe when I was fourteen, I did not recognize incredibly bad overdramatics and blatant sci-fi/military/drama clichés. And in the nineties, we didn't mind that special effects looked like they were rendered on someone's home computer. It was fun to snark on, but I didn't remember it because of its snark potential! I remember it because I loved it! I am assuming the show actually gets good during the course of the series, but I was unpleasantly surprised by the lack of quality in the pilot. It made me appreciate Firefly and BSG a whole lot more.

But Liam Fitzpatrick! In a spaceship! Rocking out to the Ramones! What more do you want, really.

I also got Sports Night DVDs from waitaminute17, who is so awesome for giving them to me. I've watched the first season but not the second, and I'm rewatching the first to refresh my memory. I considered skipping the first two episodes since I'd kinda seen them pretty recently at the F2F, but I decided what the hell, can you really watch a Sports Night episode too many times? After finishing up my work early last night (I've worked 26 hours of overtime in the last week!), I watched the first three episodes. Here are some thoughts:

  • I love the relationship between Dan and Casey. It seems rare to simply show a strong friendship between characters rather than either a romantic relationship or just coexistence. And I love how strong their friendship is.
  • Oh, Natalie! So flopsy and adorable but ever-so-slightly annoying. Sabrina Lloyd can come and cuddle with me anytime.
  • Sorkin's technique of having characters repeat the same line over and over is very transparent but still funny.
  • In the second episode, Casey is canonically uncool.
  • Dan's apology makes even me cry. In that bite-your-fingers-to-keep-from-crying way.
  • The national bird of Finland is the whooping swan.

    Finally, only two of you took on the challenge to write an entry as me, but both were so awesome that I have to display them for everyone to see.

    First, athenacqd manages to summarize this entire journal in just a few lines:

    So, I was sitting on the train today reading [insert long book title here] when I looked across the aisle and noticed that [insert easily identifiable demographic subject here] was reading [insert second long book title here]. I found the [second long book title] to not quite live up to the hype, but I found myself wondering what [he/she] thought of it.

    Oh! I got my [obscure and cancelled tv series] dvds today! Big *hugs* to [random lj user] who pimped it to me. She [who are we kidding? it's ALWAYS a she] knows good tv. Plus she makes out with me. You guys should check it out, if you can find it.

    The writers are going back to work on Veronica soon! I made Rob a mixed cd of songs he should include in the show. I'm not sure if [insert alterna/indie band name here] would really fit, but I think [insert second alterna/indie band name here] definitely would and since he loves [insert third alterna/indie band name here] I'm pretty sure he would also like [insert fourth alterna/indie band name here]. We will see soon.

    If you guys haven't seen it yet, be sure to check out [insert new Veronica/Buffy/BSG fan site here]. It rocks.

    In parting, I love [insert tv girlfriend here].


    And then tophatter2 manages to up the ante by writing something I honestly think I wrote myself:

    People, can we PLEASE get one thing straight: I AM A MORTAL. Not "immortal", but A mortal. Just because I occasionally talk to a showrunner does not mean I have special powers. I AM NOT TELEKINETIC (although that would be pretty cool). Nor do I think I am "better than you." Jesus.

    In other news, Jenny Lewis is very pretty and so is her voice.


    In conclusion, I neglected to include Flash Forward in my poll.
    Current Mood: fullfull
    Current Music: The S:AAB theme because they used it SEVENTEEN BILLION TIMES
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    From:eirefaerie
    Date:June 16th, 2006 09:08 pm (UTC)
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    oh, I love Dan's apology. I love that episode like I love cheese.

    HELLO GIVE SOME LOVE TO ISAAC OR I WILL CUT YOU.
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    From:spectralbovine
    Date:June 16th, 2006 09:14 pm (UTC)
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    oh, I love Dan's apology. I love that episode like I love cheese.

    "That's an odd number."
    "Yes, it is. It's also a prime number."

    "It's not Walt Whitman."
    "I know. I was saying it was by Slim Whitman."

    HELLO GIVE SOME LOVE TO ISAAC OR I WILL CUT YOU.

    Dude. Isaac was totally going to get a button. But then he didn't. Because I feel like no one cares for some reason. Even though he is awesome.

    "I can tell you that no rich, white boy has ever gotten anywhere with me by comparing himself to Rosa Parks."
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    From:eirefaerie
    Date:June 16th, 2006 09:16 pm (UTC)
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    Anytime I watch the episode where Isaac comes back, I cry. Cry, cry, tears of joy and thanksgiving for Robert Guillame.

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    From:tophatter2
    Date:June 18th, 2006 05:45 am (UTC)
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    In that moment, I love Felicity Huffman in, like, eight different ways just because of how she says "Isaac"
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    From:magnolia888
    Date:June 16th, 2006 09:11 pm (UTC)
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    Sorkin's technique of having characters repeat the same line over and over is very transparent but still funny.

    I have no idea what you're talking about, because he's not that guy. No, he's not that guy.

    He's not that guy.
    I'm not that guy.
    You're not that guy.
    Because I'm not that guy.
    No, you're not that guy.
    I don't want to be that guy.
    You're not that guy.

    (And still, with all the Sorkinisms, I still wonder why some people out there did not love this show. Heh.)
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    From:spectralbovine
    Date:June 16th, 2006 09:16 pm (UTC)
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    You're getting The Call!
    I'm getting The Call?
    He's getting The Call.
    You're getting The Call.
    I have no idea what that means.
    It means you're getting The Call.
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    From:magnolia888
    Date:June 16th, 2006 09:24 pm (UTC)
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    You're making me want to crack out my SN DVDs tonite. My dinner plans canceled at the last minute, and I may just do that.

    I miss Dan and Casey and Dana and Natalie and Jeremy and Isaac and even that bitch Sally Sasser.
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    From:eirefaerie
    Date:June 16th, 2006 09:27 pm (UTC)
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    Fucking Sally. FUCKING GORDON.
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    From:spectralbovine
    Date:June 16th, 2006 09:29 pm (UTC)
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    I am eagerly awaiting the total awesome smackdownitude of the "You're wearing my shirt" scene.
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    From:eirefaerie
    Date:June 16th, 2006 09:31 pm (UTC)
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    That's probably my third favorite scene of the whole series. Man, I LOVE that scene so much. Just, damn. PWNED.
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    From:spectralbovine
    Date:June 16th, 2006 09:35 pm (UTC)
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    I was totally wowed by that scene. Just...the fact that you could get such an intense, powerful moment out of the fucking laundry astounded me.

    What are your other two, if either or both are in the first season?
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    From:magnolia888
    Date:June 16th, 2006 09:42 pm (UTC)
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    FUCKING GORDON.

    You're wearing my shirt.

    I love that scene also. But man, that fucking Gordon.
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    From:dachelle
    Date:June 16th, 2006 09:21 pm (UTC)
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    I bet I was the only person in your poll who didn't watch Saved by the Bell.

    I am a REBEL!!!
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    From:squaringkarma
    Date:June 16th, 2006 10:31 pm (UTC)
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    No you're not the only one. I only selected Ghostwriter.
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    From:gymble
    Date:June 16th, 2006 09:57 pm (UTC)
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    It was fun to snark on, but I didn't remember it because of its snark potential!

    Good snark-worthy shows are hard to find. After all, I still watch Smallville primarily for its snark-worthiness.

    But Liam Fitzpatrick! In a spaceship! Rocking out to the Ramones! What more do you want, really.

    See? We had fun anyway even if it wasn't for the reasons that you predicted.


    And you should lend me Sports Night, because I have never seen it and feel left out.
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    From:spectralbovine
    Date:June 16th, 2006 10:01 pm (UTC)
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    I will trade you for V for Vendetta and maybe The Sandman Companion when I am done.

    I wish I lived in Berkeley right now because I would just watch it all with you. But I am impatient and need an escape from work.
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    From:gymble
    Date:June 16th, 2006 10:22 pm (UTC)
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    Okay, that can be arranged.

    And you do need to look for a place in Berkeley so that we can hang out and watch cool stuff. And also so that you will be closer to work and not have to sleep in a bunk bed.
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    From:spectralbovine
    Date:June 16th, 2006 10:15 pm (UTC)
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    You are nice.

    I am not.
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    From:spectralbovine
    Date:June 16th, 2006 10:20 pm (UTC)
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    Aw, Jared Padelecki is laughing at me.

    This particularly cracked me up:

    But it's true! I realized that that's probably why the debate exists.
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    From:miniglik
    Date:June 16th, 2006 11:15 pm (UTC)
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    I didn't do your meme, because: wow, it looked hard. But athenacqd's version of you was awesomely funny.

    In other news, I had to vote for Saved by the Bell because I watched NONE of the other shows you mentioned. Why? Because I was raised in a house strangely lacking in t.v. and pop-culture. I know! Weird.
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    From:athenacqd
    Date:June 17th, 2006 01:49 am (UTC)
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    Aw, thanks! I'm glad you liked it, *smoosh*!


    And *smoosh* to P-C! I'm glad you also liked it! Yay for shout outs! Whee!

    Also, Dan's apology is one of my favorite tv moments ever. Hmm....I should make a list.....
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    From:punzerel
    Date:June 16th, 2006 11:35 pm (UTC)

    RALLY J

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    I love Ghostwriter. It's the best kid show ever, hurray! Also, Alex was my first tv crush, way back in 4th or 5th grade. I must find tapes of this show..
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    From:mrbroom
    Date:June 16th, 2006 11:43 pm (UTC)

    Expected Post.

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    If I could've, I'd have antivoted for Saved by the Bell. God, that was an abominable piece of crap that everyone has to reference.
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    From:maka2000
    Date:June 16th, 2006 11:45 pm (UTC)
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    In conclusion, I neglected to include Flash Forward in my poll.

    And I actually would have voted in your poll if you had included Flash Forward. Hrumph. But I'm not of your generation anyway. I'm old. I'm a grupe, or whatever the new 20 is called. But since I'm older than you I vaguely remembered thinking Space: Above and Beyond was sort of bad. Heh. Hopefully it'll improve, or at least continue to provide snarkage.
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    From:smrou
    Date:June 17th, 2006 02:40 am (UTC)
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    YAY SPORTS NIGHT!!!

    As soon as I saw the title of this post, I knew it was going to involve Sports Night. It makes me so happy that you like the show. It was my first ever real TV obsession, and it's what introduced me to online fandom. So in a very real way, Sports Night led me to TWoP, which led me to you. So SN is what brought us together. :)
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    From:spectralbovine
    Date:June 17th, 2006 03:47 am (UTC)
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    Hee. Go you for catching the title so quickly. I loved that part; it cracked me up and made me glad I'd decided to rewatch the pilot anyway. It feels the slightest bit over the top, but it's still hilarious.

    That's very cool that it was your first TV obsession. When it was on, I barely knew of its existence, kind of like Freaks and Geeks. I read about it every now and then, but of course I didn't think it was worth checking out since I don't care about sports. As I became a more avid TV-watcher, I began to hear more about it, and a couple years ago, a friend of mine showed me the first season, and I loved it. You can just watch episode after episode, and I was just amazed by the idea of a half-hour drama. That was also funny. It's really interesting when you discover television doing things you've never encountered before. But I think I'm more aware of what television does and doesn't do now, you know? Now that I am an obsessed with it and all. Oh, TV.

    I've heard the second season isn't as good as the first, which is sad, but right now I'm loving the first season all over again. I just want to hug everyone. Sometimes I think that if you have a phenomenal cast, everything just comes together.

    I'm still amused that you recognized the title completely out of context.
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    From:smrou
    Date:June 17th, 2006 04:39 am (UTC)
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    I'm still amused that you recognized the title completely out of context.

    I have to admit, I was pretty impressed with myself for it. When I read it, my mind just naturally translated it into Jeremy's voice with that crazy delivery that he has on that line (totally over-the-top, as you said, but totally hilarious), so I was like, "Oh, this is a Sports Night post. Cool!" And then when the post started out not about SN, I started thinking I was crazy, so I was thrilled when I actually turned out to have guessed correctly.

    That's very cool that it was your first TV obsession. When it was on, I barely knew of its existence, kind of like Freaks and Geeks.

    It's actually fairly strange that I was such a fan of SN when it was on, because that was a time in my life when I was almost completely aware of what was on TV. It was my first year of college that SN started, and I was far too busy hanging out with my new friends all the time to watch TV, but I somehow randomly ended up watching the pilot because I happened to be hanging out in the lounge when it aired and the other person in the room turned it on. He and I became instant fans, and we made an appointment to watch the show together each week. Nobody else I knew watched it. Nobody else I knew had even heard of it. At that time, it was the only show I watched. There are so many shows that aired while I was in college that I never heard of until I came to TWoP--it was like a four year TV blackout for me, with the only exceptions being SN, X-Files (a fandom I got into through my online friends in the SN fandom community), and The West Wing, which I only started watching to get my Sorkin fix after SN was canceled.

    I've heard the second season isn't as good as the first, which is sad, but right now I'm loving the first season all over again.

    The second season really is significantly inferior to the first, I think. It's still worth watching, and it's not like the show turned to total crap, but it's not the same. Aaron was very involved with The West Wing at that point, so he just couldn't write all the Sports Night scripts anymore, and it shows; when other people try to write Sorkinese, it sometimes just comes out sounding ridiculous (I think getting the repetition to be funny without being annoying is a delicate art).

    I have the DVDs, and I watch the first season straight through every once in a while, but I've only watched the second season once since I got the DVDs (which was as soon as they came out), so that gives you some idea of how I feel the two seasons compare.

    Ack! Sorry for the crazy long comment. Apparently Sports Night really gets me going.
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    From:smrou
    Date:June 17th, 2006 04:41 am (UTC)
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    It's actually fairly strange that I was such a fan of SN when it was on, because that was a time in my life when I was almost completely aware of what was on TV.

    Oops! I meant "completely unaware".
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    From:spectralbovine
    Date:June 17th, 2006 02:12 pm (UTC)
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    Maybe it is more hardcore later on?
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    From:teenes
    Date:June 17th, 2006 06:16 pm (UTC)
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    Dude. These days I've been a bad LJ-er b/c I just skim my flist really quickly and then move on with my day, but in my morning skim today the word "Roundhouse" just caught my eye. Dude I used to *love* Roundhouse. I even posted on the Prodigy forums about it, wrote episode guides, loved Newsies (where a whole bunch o' Roundhousers were), etc etc. I think that may have been one of my first online TV fandoms. Ah nostalgia...
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    From:foresthouse
    Date:June 17th, 2006 10:31 pm (UTC)
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    Ah, Saved by the Bell. Yep, it was the Big Winner TV Show for our gen. Heh.

    P.S. Suniiiiiiil! I have been away from LJ too much. So I just thought I'd come over here and say, HEY YOU! ;)
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    From:spectralbovine
    Date:June 17th, 2006 10:32 pm (UTC)
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    Emilyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!! *hugs*
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    From:tophatter2
    Date:June 18th, 2006 05:43 am (UTC)
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    Cool: Getting a shout-out. Yay!
    Even cooler: Getting a shout-out in a post involving Sports Night.

    Helsinki's in Finland.
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    From:soleta_nf
    Date:June 19th, 2006 04:41 am (UTC)
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    I have very fond memories of Space: Above and Beyond. Do let me know if it improves, or if I should wait until I find the very, very cheap DVDs.
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    From:briasoleil
    Date:June 21st, 2006 12:24 am (UTC)
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    This is completely OT to this post, but I just realised that my Italy trip is only a month away and I'm contemplating gifts. Do you happen to know when the R2 VM Season 1 dvds going to be released? Or even if they will be released? I would ask on the veronica_mars comm, but the person for whom I'm planning on buying them is also a member.

    Grazie!
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    From:spectralbovine
    Date:June 21st, 2006 02:52 am (UTC)
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    Hm. I haven't heard anything about an R2 release, but then again, I wouldn't have been paying attention to such news.

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