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February 8th, 2006


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11:06 pm - It's Not Easy Being a Fan
If you love Jackie (really?) or just love to hate Jackie (it's enjoyable?), join vm_macchiatos. Now. Because I said so.

I thought the episode was weak, even though it had a lot of things going for it.

One thing I really missed about this show is how bloody high school it's supposed to be. Yeah, teen noir, whatever, but I love the world of Neptune High for being the world of Neptune High. I think this episode broke the record for number of returning characters in a teaser. So I liked seeing all the high school stuff, but at the same time, the whole teaser felt really unfocused. And yet, it was actually unfocused in a way that I like, because I like when the scenes kind of transition from one to the next, where characters walk to one place, and another character is in the background, so the action shifts to them. Either I wasn't in the right mood, or it just wasn't done well.

They're really trying to make us like Jackie, aren't they? They're turning her into the new Veronica. Well, the old Veronica. While it seems totally ridiculous for the entire school to turn against her like that, it's also totally in-character for Neptune. And, I suppose, high schools everywhere. There's this herd effect where a sentiment just spreads like a virus, and you've got to be cool and hate who everyone else hates.

(You guys totally know the bathroom graffiti said fuckslutwhore.)

Also, um, I still don't hate Jackie now. I mean, maybe if I watched her previous episodes now, I wouldn't hate her as much then either. Or maybe I would, because she was a total annoying bitch. Anyway, I think they're actually doing a good job making us like Jackie because it's kind of a side product of things that have to occur as part of the bus crash mystery, you know? And with Jackie helping them out last week, it's not unlikely for Veronica to be warming up to her, especially when she empathizes with her circumstances. And Wallace very deliberately throwing the balls into left field was a nice gesture. So I don't think "LIKE JACKIE!" is being forced down our throats; I feel it's pretty organic. It does seem to come out of nowhere because of her extended absence, though.

And since we're on the subject, the Keith/Terrence scenes were all very good. It was good to see him again, and it was good to see more of him as a character. We finally found out what he was talking to Woody about at the field trip (and did anyone do a double-take because they thought they heard him say, "...do the colored commentary"?). And we got backstory about Mrs. Dumbass and learned that the Fitzpatricks are involved in EVERYTHING. I swear, by the end of the season, we're going to find out that the Fitzpatricks killed Lilly Kane.

And speaking of things we hear a lot about: they need to stop using the phrase "special lady friend." It's getting old. Vary it up a little, at least. Special friend lady. Lady friend who is special. Lady and special friend. There wasn't enough Jane. I need more Jane! She's cute!

Although Hannah's cute too. Even though the whole Logan/Hannah courtship was very strange and awkward and Jason Dohring looked extremely bored this entire episode. But ooh, what a payoff. As soon as I saw her father, I had one of those great "Oh, fuck" moments. Yeah, Logan, macking on the daughter of the guy who's fingering you for murder isn't so hot.

Mac and Cassidy are ADORABLE. Dick is a DICK. Seriously, I think this is as big a dick as we've ever seen him. So the Bambi Gasm payback was pretty sweet. I love how Beaver totally played on his thing for Kendall.

Oh, back to Keith and Terrence. I said way back when we first heard the gambling accusations that the wording pretty clearly implied that Terrence had thrown a game, so I wasn't surprised by that. I don't know if it was supposed to be a bigger deal, but it was clearly a huge deal for Keith, and Enrico Colantoni rocked the hell out of that scene. Shattered dreams are never fun. Finding out your hero isn't so heroic is just part of growing up. Or hitting middle age. You go, Keith. You defend that innocent man.

Then there was the whole A plot, which didn't have nearly enough oomph to it, though the twisty-turny bits at the end redeemed it some. It was just Veronica jumping from conclusion to conclusion and getting nowhere. Although it's kind of sweet that her first suspect did turn out to be the culprit, so she's not totally off her game. And we got a couple nice blue flashbacks.

But, dammit, I was totally calling the money box being in a pie box. They were the exact right size and shape. Of course, I have no idea why Madison would want to steal the money, but hey. I thought I was being smart.

Going back to Jackie: "Standing while black" was a great line, especially because I was just thinking the other day that I'm totally surprised there hasn't been this huge thing about the fact that the reason everyone hates her is that she's black.

lilserf has just pointed out to me that this was a good way to set 90% of the episode in one set. It was practically a hurricane episode! Except for the three thousand guest stars. They even brought back Cora, for fuck's sake.

Kristen Bell, like Jason Dohring, felt similarly off her game, like she was overdelivering everything. Didn't have the usual Veronica pizzazz. It was especially noticeable during her theatrics during the parlor scene. Maybe this really was the first episode they filmed after the hiatus, and they had trouble easing back into things.

The episode was not up to Diane's usual standard. She did concoct a very twisty-turny MOTW with lots of false leads and red herrings and unexpected subplots, but it lacked focus. There wasn't enough drive, and the dots weren't being connected together strongly enough. The jokes weren't as zippy. Yay for the gobs of continuity, though (even a random "Girl Next Door" callback!).

But, you know, whatever. Off episodes happen, and we get over it. I feel like I might enjoy it more on a second go when I'm in a better mood because, like I said, the elements of a good episode are there. If you really did like it, please feel free to squee all over my comments in disagreement. It would make me happy.

And now I must go to bed so I can wake up in, like, four hours to catch my plane to San Francisco. For a job interview. For a position for which my mom's brother's wife's brother makes the hiring decision. So, um, I think my odds are pretty good. I also plan to lunch with Buffistas, watch horror movie trailers at Wondercon with cadhla and witness her playing DDR, and push hobviously in front of a bus. I return Saturday night. Please limit yourself to three kerfuffles (one major and two minor) while I'm gone.
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From:lilserf
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:13 am (UTC)
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Anonymorons: Let the record show that Polter-Cow was moderately to sharply critical of this episode.

Personally, I loved this episode. I think I'd been missing this kind of MotW, with the multiple suspects and the triple fake-outs. I know that was something I really dug in season 1, and we even got some quasi-associated story-arc advancement, although nothing too in-depth.

I naturally dug the continuity that was on ridiculous display in this one (even tying in the Tritons, nice)! I don't know why I liked this one so much. Maybe I just dig Mac 'n' Beaver; maybe it was Clemmons's line about trusting some of his students, but I really enjoyed this one.

It was the first episode in several weeks that I came out of feeling generally happy about it -- all the recent ones have been impactful, but felt flawed somehow, whereas this one felt like it all fell together so nicely.

Hell, maybe it was the final reveal with Weevil that I wasn't expecting. I don't know. I still love you, Diane. Keep rockin'.
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From:raelee
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:15 am (UTC)
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First, good luck and have fun! Give Seanan a hug for me.

Second, did "certain people" raid your place and replace your console? ;)

I actually liked this episode a lot. But, that may be my overwhelming desire to like it encouraging me to overlook some of the things I didn't like. I agree that the pacing or something felt off but I have that problem with a lot of S1 episodes and, on re-watch, they actually work better for me. I'm wondering if that will be the case with this episode.
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From:spadada
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:17 am (UTC)
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Yeah, Logan, macking on the daughter of the guy who's fingering you for murder isn't so hot.
And he knew, right? He totally knew. Or JD missed a serious, "WTF?" moment when he saw who was driving her dad's car. What a sneaky snarky bastard that Logan guy is!
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From:spectralbovine
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:20 am (UTC)
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See, I never thought about the fact that he knew (until I saw it being posited somewhere else) because you're right...there was no WTF moment, and it really confused me. It makes his random, blatant coming on to her make so much more sense. Very sneaky, that Logan.
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From:punzerel
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:22 am (UTC)
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Good luck! and it took me way too long that all that added up to was "uncle's brother-in-law."
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From:quaint_shopgirl
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:23 am (UTC)
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You're going to WonderCon? Now I'm really sad that I had to cancel! Have a great time! And good luck with the job interview (not that you seem to need it!).
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From:bspalek
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:31 am (UTC)
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How the fuck to you write such thought out posts so soon after the episode? It would take me hours to write this post because I always have to re-watch before everthing is straight in my head. I hate you. And by hate I mean love, and am jealus of your skillz.

I liked it, I thought it was shiney and fun. But need to re-watch tommorrow.

Good night and good luck!
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From:sterope
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:31 am (UTC)
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Good luck with your interview!
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From:r_a_l_i_g_h
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:38 am (UTC)
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(and did anyone do a double-take because they thought they heard him say, "...do the colored commentary"?) I certainly did.

and learned that the Fitzpatricks are involved in EVERYTHING. I swear, by the end of the season, we're going to find out that the Fitzpatricks killed Lilly Kane. I know. I was thrilled to have it confirmed that there was a connection, 'cause I KNEW there had to be one. But now it's just, I don't even want to come up theories because my head is spinning.
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From:kieyra
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:42 am (UTC)
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I'm mystified by the Jackie hatred. Then again, I'd be happy if I never had to see either Casablancas kid ever again, so who am I to judge?

I agree with your complaints about tonight's episode.

I heart Weevil.

That is all.

Good luck in San Fran.
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From:iheartbridges
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:45 am (UTC)
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(You guys totally know the bathroom graffiti said fuckslutwhore.)
I KNOW!!!! And I said as much in my lj. Yes, I wrote about VM in my lj.

and did anyone do a double-take because they thought they heard him say, "...do the colored commentary"?
Yes. Although one of my (black) friends claims that she thinks when people say "African American," they're trying too hard. Just say "black." So I do.

Yeah, Logan, macking on the daughter of the guy who's fingering you for murder isn't so hot.
Here's a question I'd pose to the whole VM world, but... instead, I'll just pose it to you. The guy looked over, and saw Logan, and... didn't react? I saw no reaction. Did you see a reaction? If he is the witness to Logan on the bridge, don't you think he's uh... know Logan?

"Standing while black" was a great line
YES! And um, love her random black friend, and the fact that they felt she needed one. Sigh.

I liked it, but I did feel the jumpiness and the "what's going on"-iness. Especially with Veronica running around, being wrong.

Good luck on the interview!! You'll do fantastically.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:47 am (UTC)
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If he is the witness to Logan on the bridge, don't you think he's uh... know Logan?

I don't know; he seemed to...glower. I mean, it wasn't really blatant, and maybe he's one of them San Diego actors.

And um, love her random black friend, and the fact that they felt she needed one. Sigh.

She's Cora from "Blast from the Past."
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From:warden96
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:48 am (UTC)
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Mac and Cassidy are ADORABLE. Dick is a DICK. Seriously, I think this is as big a dick as we've ever seen him. So the Bambi Gasm payback was pretty sweet. I love how Beaver totally played on his thing for Kendall.

That's what I thought they were doing but couldn't be sure. Thanks.

Don't worry about Francisco. You've got it in the bag.
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From:holly96
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:55 am (UTC)
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I haven't seen the episode yet so I'm not reading about that, but I just had to comment about your interview. I'm in San Francisco (well, I work in San Francisco, but live down the peninsula)!! Where's the job at?
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From:spectralbovine
Date:February 9th, 2006 04:57 am (UTC)
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Emeryville. I'll be staying with family in Belmont.
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From:thetheatremouse
Date:February 9th, 2006 05:18 am (UTC)
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this was a good way to set 90% of the episode in one set. It was practically a hurricane episode! Except for the three thousand guest stars. They even brought back Cora, for fuck's sake.
See, I was just thinking the opposite of that and that after this episode they must desperately need a Stuck-in-a episode to save some dough, because, sure virtually all one set, but they totally had to get all that carnival stuff, and all of those guest stars. It really only saves money if it's all one set and they already have that set and if they don't have to pay anyone they don't pay every week anyway. I think. What the hell do I know.
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From:cran
Date:February 9th, 2006 05:32 am (UTC)
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Heh! Like I said in the comments for your entry last week, I thought the previous episode was "off." I really liked this one! Now THIS reminded me of a season one episode -- set at the school, with a fun MoTW, with a lot going on (but without being confusing)... it was just fun. I loved Mac and Beaver getting the best of Dick, and Wallace deliberately throwing the balls far away, and Logan managing to be both a jackass and charming at the same time, and Veronica snarking at authority figures (and it was nice to get more confirmation that the principal really does respect her). Nice reveal at the end, with it being Weevil (and his niece!) who stole the cash.
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From:sadiekate
Date:February 9th, 2006 05:46 am (UTC)
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As soon as I saw her father, I had one of those great "Oh, fuck" moments. Yeah, Logan, macking on the daughter of the guy who's fingering you for murder isn't so hot.

Heh. You said "fingering".
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From:etherealclarity
Date:February 9th, 2006 05:58 am (UTC)
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Yeah, hate to agree with most of the other people posting but... I really liked this one!!!

It was funny, because the entire time that Logan was going after Hannah I kept thinking that he couldn't really be interested in her, that he was going to try to make Veronica jealous, and then I reconsidered because I realized that he didn't NEED to make V jealous and it wasn't exactly his style anyway. So then I started thinking he was for real and got kinda sad, and started trying really hard to like Hannah because if they were going to date I didn't want to be one of those crazed LoVe fans that can't stand them dating other people just because they're other people... and liking Hannah wasn't so hard because she seems kinda sweet... but on the other hand there was sadness because I think deep down, I want to be the one to date Logan (assuming I broke up with my boyfriend and lived in Veronica!world).

So the payoff on that whole situation was pretty sweet for me. I'm pretty sure Logan knew all along that she was the daughter of plastic surgeon guy, but I had no clue and thus loved the entire senario. Though I'm sad for her if (or when) she gets caught in the middle of all this.

And in the spirit of having this comment NOT be all about Logan, I was a big fan of Cassidy/Mac love in this episode, and for some reason the MotW I really actually enjoyed. I even liked Jackie this week, and normally she got on my nerves. I also love Weevil getting back at Thumper, though I called that one before the reveal.
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From:alliterator
Date:February 9th, 2006 06:11 am (UTC)
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I agree this felt off, but in a good way. It was kinda like a hurricane episode in that it mostly took place during one night in one location, but we got a shitload of characters and continuity (they didn't forget Mr. Pope! Or Corny!).

And I was totally wondering what was up with the Hannah girl. I was wondering if they were going anywhere with that and why they would just randomly introduce her (and if possibly it was a way to get back at LoVe fans), but it wasn't! Because her dad is Tom Griffith! And Logan totally knew that and that's why he did it and he is so fucking with him.

And the Wallace reveal was kinda cool, because he relied on her smarts - and he was able to get payback on Thumper. Although if he didn't actually take any of the money, how did he buy his car? And why didn't he buy a new motorcycle?

Also: the ending felt weird to me. Maybe it's cause most of the episodes this season end with startling events, ending with Veronica laughing seemed...an odd choice.
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From:alliterator
Date:February 9th, 2006 06:17 am (UTC)
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Okay, I just realized that Ms. Hauser said there was 12,000 dollars in the box. Clemmons founds 3,000 in Thumpers locker and another 3,000 hidden by Ms. Hauser, but she must have already known that was missing and excluded it, so Weevil must have gotten 9,000 dollars to buy his car. Well, his car and the drugs he framed Thumper with.
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From:petunia846
Date:February 9th, 2006 12:34 pm (UTC)
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but it lacked focus.
See...I liked that. The whole episode was sort of like a twisty turvy rollercoaster ride...which I guess is kind of appropriate.
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From:eirefaerie
Date:February 9th, 2006 01:46 pm (UTC)
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OMG YOU WERE NEGATIVE ABOUT VMARS! But how will Rob's penis fit in your mouth now???

I heart you, Sunil.

Okay, see, I love my friends, but the problem in watching an ep with them is that I feel like I can't focus. So I really, really can't deliver an opinion on the ep until I watch it again tonight. Things I did love, though: Jackie (but I've loved Jackie since BftP), Mac and Beaver, and their subsequent playing of Dick, Weev's ADORABLE niece, who he used as an accomplice, ha, and every Keith and Terrence scene. Keith made me cry in his last scene with Terrence. (Terrence just made me drool. Man is fine, yo.) It's kind of hard to explain, maybe, to people who aren't hardcore sports fans, but that was so exactly spot on how a baseball fan would feel. Like, Terrence is fictional, and I was crying and saying, "Why, Terrence? WHY?" I love how Rico played that scene - just the right amount of a grown-up's devestation that his hero did a bad thing. It was pitch-perfect.

I enjoy Diane eps because she tends to use the entire set of characters, and in her way, turns the supporting cast into the main cast, and has the main cast acting as support. It was particularly thus last night. I really like the way she fleshes people out, and uses them in ways that are totally spot-on wrt their characters, but they all build a part of the mystery. The one . . . not complaint, but sort of annoyance, I guess, is the way she writes Dick. Like, I have no problem with Dick being a giant jackass, because he is. But she writes Dick as willfully and wantonly MEAN and CRIMINAL, whereas everyone else sorts of writes him as "loveable jackass who will major in keg stands at UCLA." I mean, Dick was mean tonight. Extremely mean. Mean in a way he hasn't been since ATttD (a link!). I don't know if she just doesn't like Dick, or enjoys pushing Ryan Hanson further, or what. But I feel like I don't really know which Dick is the real one, Diane's or everyone else's.

Good luck on your interview, kid. Let me know how it goes.
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From:cadhla
Date:February 9th, 2006 03:25 pm (UTC)
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Don't worry, I'm sure Rob can find someplace else to put it.

*runs away because soon, Sunil can hit her*
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From:jenelope
Date:February 9th, 2006 03:50 pm (UTC)
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My only real complaint about the episode was that in every single scene with Logan and Hannah, I was thinking, "What is she, like, twelve years old? Is the reason that she's saving a date for someone special because she's only in middle school? Is this all a big setup for Logan getting in trouble for dating a little kid? Seriously, how old is this girl supposed to be?!" I know that the actress who plays her is 20, but geez, she looks young. She reminds me of Evan Rachel Wood. But circa Practical Magic Evan Rachel Wood, not late teenage years Evan Rachel Wood. (Ironically, Jessy Schram is a year older than Evan Rachel Wood. And how many times can I cram that actress's name into a single paragraph?)
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From:cerulgalactus
Date:February 10th, 2006 04:11 pm (UTC)
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As long as you keep your grubby mitts off my new VM lustobject.
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From:lizie_muffy
Date:February 9th, 2006 06:25 pm (UTC)
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I totally thought it would be in a pie box too!

I mean they kept showing the pie booth so I was geting suspicious. Damn
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From:gymble
Date:February 9th, 2006 07:52 pm (UTC)
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I loved this episode. So many episodes this season have been very heavy and serious. I really enjoy the light-hearted stuff. And I always love Diane's dialogue. For me, this was a squee! episode.
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From:pixie37373
Date:February 10th, 2006 04:06 am (UTC)
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Good luck!
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From:dahliam
Date:February 10th, 2006 06:21 am (UTC)
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Job interview? You have a job interview? *squee* What's the job? Is it in San Fran or is the interview just there? Details, I need details!

Oh, and the episode. I actually liked this episode and was surprised to see it wasn't seen as that good in the fandom. But then, everyone raved about last week's and I only thought it was so-so. Apparently my tastes are the exact opposite of the rest of the fandom. Anyway, I thought the MOTW was fun with all its twists and turns, and of course I was squealing over cute MacBeaver. I am also warming up to Jackie, though not all the way there I do think the actress is slowly creeping toward learning how to deliver a line naturally.

So I stop rambling: it was fun, lighthearted, and full of gotcha moments that I love. BTW, did anyone think this week's Lost ep felt a lot like a VM ep with the big reveal at the end that is was all a con?
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From:cerulgalactus
Date:February 10th, 2006 04:17 pm (UTC)
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It seems to be Long Con month for my favourite shows. But of course, what are we going to do now that *name removed to save spoilers* has the *spoiler removed*? And, contrary to popular belief, Locke is not with The Others (purely my own spec here) - it is being foreshadowed a little TOO hard that he is evil. The man might know whats going on, or is trying to figure ot what is going on; but quite frankly, I dont blame him for not sharing with Doctor Crybaby McBadflashbackwig.

That being said - good luck on the interview Sunil.

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