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January 7th, 2006


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12:12 am - Sackh Off Like Katee
If you would like to tell me where in the Whedonverse I belong, feel free.

Okay, before I get to the episode post, I have to note two pieces of awesomeness: Glark loved my filk and Jacob (mostlikely2) pimped it in the episode thread! Holy shit!

That's kind of like my reaction to the first new episode of Battlestar Galactica in like FOREVER!

Oh my God, I missed this show. I caught some of "Flight of the Phoenix" during the marathon yesterday and got sucked back in. And then I watched the last ten minutes of "Pegasus" to get stoked for the new episode.

Oh, criminy, did you see the flippy ships?! The Vipers were all flying through each other and trying not to run into each other and flipping around and doing fancy maneuvers...and then when they all changed course to attack Starbuck, it was just beautiful. The formations. I mean, is all that computer-generated? All of that? It's so fluid and natural-looking.

I loved that Cain obviously admired Starbuck's efforts and that she was clearly interested in the intel she provided because she wanted to defeat the Cylons. That's the thing about Cain: on a purely superficial level, she's on the right side, the side that wants to take out the folks who blew up humanity. It's not like she's some eeeeevil mastermind who wants to rule the universe. It's not so much her goals but her tactics that turn her into a villain.

It's kind of funny that Cain chooses Colonial One as neutral ground, considering it's Roslin's territory, and Roslin is anything but neutral. Loved Adama's little "I wouldn't count on it" dig. Later on, that Adama/Roslin scene was great (oh God, are they really going to kill off Roslin? SHE CANNOT DIE!! You know, I don't think I liked her all that much in the beginning, but things change). They're so the Mommy and Daddy of the fleet, and it felt weird to see some seeds of, well, Mommy/Daddy in there since Roslin totally has a crush on Lee. And who would've thought she would be the one to suggest they kill Cain?

Cain suuuuuucks. Stripping civilian ships for parts? Killing their families? I think those actions speak for themselves; we don't need an anvilicious "I thought the Cylons were the enemy, now it's us?"

Oh, Tyrol and Helo. You boys and your robot girlfriends. When will you ever learn?

Clinging as I do to my notion that Baltar's Six is a product of his subconscious, I have to wonder about the implications of her pyramid story. We never did see much of his relationship with the real Six back on Caprica.

I'm having trouble writing this post because nothing happened. The episode was so good even though nothing happened. It was all setup, basically. Setup and character. Many nice, subtle comparisons and contrasts of Adama and Cain.

Frak it all, I'm skipping to the end because it was awesome. I am sure it escaped none of you that Adama's plan for Starbuck is pretty much identical to Boomer's assassination attempt on him. And I love that in his head, he's probably thinking, "Hey...it totally worked! Except she should have shot me in the head!" It's interesting to note that Adama's plan is very personal: it's a lone assassin taking out her target. Cain, on the other hand, has her XO ordering other Marines to take out Adama. A very military operation, there. Execute Code Orange vs. Downfall.

I loved the crosscutting. When Cain first began explaining her plan to her XO, I caught the "very reliable, very loyal" part and could see kind of where she was going, but I didn't realize she was plotting a counterassassination until a little more into the scene. It created so much tension even though I already knew the "punchline," as it were. I was so drawn in that the end of the episode took me completely by surprised. The episode is over? Noooo!!

Oh, BSG. I am so glad you're back. And with VM on hiatus right now, you're clearly the best show on television. And...um, maybe even when it gets back. But don't worry, VM, you're still my favorite show. Just because. Come on, we're talking about a spaceship of drama here. And I love that spaceship like Adama loves slow claps.

P.S. I kept wanting Galactica to Starburst.
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From:funky_donut
Date:January 7th, 2006 07:03 am (UTC)
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And who would've thought she would be the one to suggest they kill Cain?

Not me! I actually gasped, I was so shocked.

The flippy ships in the beginning were so, so pretty and tense and awesome.

I love Sackh Off Like Katie so much. I mean, I love your saying, but I also mean that I totally love Starbuck so much and is she gonna do it? I mean, Cain promoted her and wants to Kill All Toasterz! Starbuck should wanna be just like Cain when she grows up! But Cain is Crazy!

I love that our two favorite shows both have Cain/Kanes.

But don't worry, VM, you're still my favorite show. Just because.

I'm with you. But I do love BSG like whoa. And it's all thanks to you guys, making me watch it.
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From:alliterator
Date:January 7th, 2006 07:25 am (UTC)
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When I first started watching it, the TV was set to have Spanish closed captioning, which was annoying, but I didn't want to miss any of the action, so I waited until the credits before switching on the menu and turning them off.

It. Was. Fracking. Awesome. Though why the frack were previews for this episode showing a scene from next week? (Caine's "Frack me" line.)

Sure, it was mostly setup and nothing really happened. We're practically back to where we were at the end of "Pegasus," exact now instead of an all out battle, each side is planning each other's assassination. And we have that pesky Resurrection Ship plus two BaseStars to destroy and oh, PegaSix is suicidal. And not just "Kill me and I'll wake up in a new body" suicidal, she really, really wants to die.
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From:alliterator
Date:January 7th, 2006 07:38 am (UTC)
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Oh, also, I thought I saw an Arrested Development shout-out when Helo said that his baby would be "half-machine." Or is that stretching it?
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 7th, 2006 01:13 pm (UTC)
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If, when the baby is born, Helo screams, "It's half-machine! It's a MONSTER!" I think we can claim it.
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From:arliss
Date:January 7th, 2006 07:34 am (UTC)
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I knew what was coming when her posture went all sort of hooded and she lasered in on her XO, and I was certain when she uttered the word "marines." But yeah, the cutting back and forth was very effective, exposing the layers of command distant military coup from the straightforward, personal assassination. Different philosophies, different expressions of them, different characters. Adama takes out one admiral--Cain takes out an entire deck command.

There was squeeing in my living room. I've missed this show.
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From:ste_noni
Date:January 7th, 2006 12:21 pm (UTC)
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arliss said this already, but I found it very interesting that Cain is willing to take out Adama's entire command (which I took to mean anyone who sticks with him) whereas Adama just wants Starbuck to kill Cain.

When Roslin told Adama that he had to kill Cain, I actually laughed out loud. I couldn't believe she said it - she has come a long ways from where she started. She better not die any time soon!

I missed this show so much!
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 7th, 2006 01:17 pm (UTC)
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I think Adama realizes that all he needs to do is take out Cain. Once she's out of the picture, the rest of her crew should be easily subdued because they can't all be as frakking nuts as her, right? Whereas Cain knows that Adama's whole command is both loyal to him and his way of thinking.
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From:ste_noni
Date:January 7th, 2006 01:29 pm (UTC)
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I agree completely. BSG is a big deal around my house - not only do I love it, but Joe loves the whole military command climate/decision making aspect to it. We have both worked for Adamas and Cains and it's interesting to see the difference. Joe got a new Big Boss a few weeks ago. In his introduction to the officers, Big Boss said that the most important thing to him is Love. To Joe (and me), that's a sign of a good leader and one who will take care of you in combat because he lvoes his troops. Leaders who love their soldiers (like Adama) don't end up with Abu Grhaib on their hands. Leaders like Cain do.

None of this is very insightful, but it makes the show very fun to watch.
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From:quaint_shopgirl
Date:January 7th, 2006 04:23 pm (UTC)
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oh God, are they really going to kill off Roslin? SHE CANNOT DIE!! You know, I don't think I liked her all that much in the beginning, but things change

While watching the show last night, I came up with a way they can save Roslin. It's very implausible but it would keep her on the show. I'm not going to voice it on the very off chance they actually do it, as I would hate to spoil it for anyone. I'm just not ready to say goodbye to her yet, so I keep hoping...
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 7th, 2006 04:27 pm (UTC)
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Is it the part where they download her consciousness into a Cylon model? Because while that would keep her alive, we would lose Mary McDonnell, so really, what's the point?

They have to save her! Somehow! As long as it's not a sucky asspull!
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From:quaint_shopgirl
Date:January 7th, 2006 04:33 pm (UTC)
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Pretty much, except if they created the other cylon bodies, why couldn't they re-create Roslin's? Like I said, it's implausible, but unless they come up with a cure for cancer in the next month, what else could they do? I really think the show would suffer without her so I'm grasping at straws. I DO NOT want her to leave! :(
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 9th, 2006 02:49 am (UTC)
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That's actually a plot point of the series, though. The Doctor can regenerate thirteen times.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 9th, 2006 03:07 am (UTC)
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But...it's different. One is Doctor-specific! You can't have people coming back after dying all willy-nilly!
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From:kiwikazoo
Date:January 7th, 2006 05:34 pm (UTC)
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Later on, that Adama/Roslin scene was great (oh God, are they really going to kill off Roslin? SHE CANNOT DIE!! You know, I don't think I liked her all that much in the beginning, but things change).

SO GOOD OMG. Loved it. Finally answers the question of just how much of Laura's condition Adama is aware of, and their scene was beautiful and am I the only one whose eyes narrowed suspiciously at their discussion of Laura taking over a Cylon body? Damn you, Ron Moore, you've made me paranoid that everyone is a Cylon!

Stripping civilian ships for parts? Killing their families? I think those actions speak for themselves; we don't need an anvilicious "I thought the Cylons were the enemy, now it's us?"

I actually think they went a step too far in having Cain order the execution of the families. Stripping the ships for parts, forcing the "valuable" people to leave their loved ones behind, and abandoning the civies to their fate is bad enough without the anvilicious "and then she killed them BECAUSE SHE IS EEEEVVVIIILL."

I loved the crosscutting. When Cain first began explaining her plan to her XO, I caught the "very reliable, very loyal" part and could see kind of where she was going, but I didn't realize she was plotting a counterassassination until a little more into the scene.

The instant she started talking to Fisk I realized she was setting up to take out Adama at the first opportunity, just as Roslin warned him she would. I am confused about something, though: was Cain planning to actually kill Adama? All she said was something along the lines of removing Adama's command, like she's planning to throw him in the brig and commandeer the ship. Interesting contrast if it's true, since it would mean that, for once, she's being less ruthless than Adama.

Oh BSG, how I love you.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:January 7th, 2006 05:54 pm (UTC)
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I actually think they went a step too far in having Cain order the execution of the families.

I saw that coming as Cain's natural reaction to the situation. It just seemed like something she'd do, even before they went ahead and confirmed it.

I am confused about something, though: was Cain planning to actually kill Adama? All she said was something along the lines of removing Adama's command, like she's planning to throw him in the brig and commandeer the ship. Interesting contrast if it's true, since it would mean that, for once, she's being less ruthless than Adama.

Oh hells no. That's just military speak. She's being much more ruthless than Adama: her orders are to "terminate Adama's command...starting with Adama." That means kill everyone in the CIC, starting with Adama.
From:wee_warrior
Date:January 7th, 2006 06:05 pm (UTC)
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am I the only one whose eyes narrowed suspiciously at their discussion of Laura taking over a Cylon body?

You are certainly not...my eyebrows went up at this comment. Laura a Cylon? Say it ain't so, Ron!

I actually think they went a step too far in having Cain order the execution of the families. Stripping the ships for parts, forcing the "valuable" people to leave their loved ones behind, and abandoning the civies to their fate is bad enough without the anvilicious "and then she killed them BECAUSE SHE IS EEEEVVVIIILL."

I do agree, it was a bit too much. I read in wisteria's lj that Moore explains this as a network request in the podcast, because the scifi-channel apparently thought that Cain didn't seem that evil in Pegasus (Which...yeah.). What it did illustrate, though, was Cain's extreme shortsightedness regarding the future of the human race: how are you supposed to survive if you kill off what's already there of the next generation?
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From:dcjensen
Date:January 8th, 2006 04:06 am (UTC)
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I think Fisk will also betray Cain.

Just from his telling of the civilian story to Adama's XO guy (Whose name escapes me.) He regrets following those orders, and I'm thinking he's going to get loyal marines, just not loyal to Cain.




From:vandalisimo
Date:January 9th, 2006 04:25 pm (UTC)
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Oh gosh, love. Love the show, loved the episode. Can't wait until next week.
Hah, the scene where Roslin said that the Pegasus would destroy Galactica and Adama got all pissy was awesome. Especially because after he responded, he totally juts his chin in the air. Like a kid. I like moments like that because you can see where Lee gets his attitude.
From:metabeta
Date:January 10th, 2006 06:31 am (UTC)
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Goosebumps at the end of this episode. Also, I love Baltar so much that I die forever.

And I love that spaceship like Adama loves slow claps.

You are quoting YOURSELF. Dork.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:October 18th, 2006 04:44 pm (UTC)
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Where are your thoughts on all the episodes after this but before Black Market? Come ON Sunil.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:October 18th, 2006 04:50 pm (UTC)
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Oooh. They don't exist. Because one weekend was Austin, and the other weekend was writing about Austin. Sorry.

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