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November 17th, 2005


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12:18 am - See How Much You're Sneezing When You Have Gonorrhea
I think I have to listen to a lot of Massive Attack now.

That. Was. Fucked. Up.

Like, I need someone to cuddle up with right now. And I don't want to turn all the lights on because I'm afraid of what I might see. That was some seriously creepy shit. Really, really bizarre, too. Like I expected some of it to turn out not to be real. Is this really the Neptune that was lurking beneath the surface the entirety of season one? I can't believe I thought this season was too sunny.

Continuity-licious: Mr. Pope, the Fullers, Jane Kuhne, Madison Sinclair, Lilly's vent trick.

Earlier this week, I was wondering when they were going to pick up the Meg's laptop plotline. I know they can't focus on everything in every episode; there are just too many plates spinning at the moment. But look at that, Duncan finally broke down and did some snooping. And he actually cared about something!

I'm a little disappointed (I still think you're awesome, Diane! Your dialogue crackles!) that the babysitting escapades didn't lead to anything more. The focus on the divorced teacher who gets a date with Sacks suggests it's a setup for a future plotline, but my mouth still tastes like red herring. What was the purpose of the bizarre Mr. Fuller proposition and the headless drawing? And the drawing of the Woodman family as a reverse Echolls (the mother abuses, the father allows it) has to come into play later on, right? I might be happier with all this once we get the payoffs to these setups.

I don't know what to make of Gia. I like her in that she's kind of weird and goofy, but she's...I don't get her.

Woody is very, very intent on putting Keith in some sort of position of legal authority. He must have some ulterior motive. This incorporation business is going to be big trouble, I think. But I think this was a good episode for showing that for all that Neptune needs cleaning superficially, it could use a really good scrub-down underneath.

Oh, Casablancases! Biological mother! An almost complete ripoff of the scene where Logan is notified of the money left to him by Lynn and Trina gets zip, nothing, nada ("We have Nada III.")! Poor Beaver. He likes Europe. And Dick is hitting on his stepmom. But even she won't stoop that low. Also, Duncan didn't sleep with Kendall. YET.

One thing that really came across in this episode was that Duncan was much more attentive to Meg than he's being to Veronica currently. He knew many more details of her life. He passed on the vent trick (Logan -> Lilly -> Duncan -> Meg). I think they were a good couple. (But dude, what was in that envelope he pocketed?!)

So. The Big Reveal. What does it all mean? Clearly, we now know that Lizzie was not exaggerating about her parents pulling the plug. But the question is, how the fuck did Meg turn out so goddamn normal? Did they not do this to her? Did they do it to Lizzie? We know that last year, her dad had a fit when she was writing sexy letters to a foreign correspondent, comparing her unfavorably to her wild child sister. Who ended up in Catholic school. How long has it been going on? Maybe Meg and Duncan did have sex, and her parents found out. Having lost Lizzie, they've now lost Meg, and they are not going to lose their little Grace. INTO THE CLOSET WITH HER! Meg needs to wake up and tell me how in the hell she managed to turn out okay. And then make out with me. As my icon attests, you know she wants to.

Finally, Lamb. The Big Line of Backstory. Which does not necessarily mean he was abused. All it means is that at one point in his life, the police came to investigate into some of his father's doings. We don't know what those doings were. But I think we have a clue as to what drove Lamb into law enforcement.

A lot to think about with this episode. And oh God, I didn't even talk about the Felix murder stuff. Jesus Christ, this episode was packed. The scene with Dr. Griffiths was totally ripped out of Campus Confidential. Ren did that very same thing!

I don't understand how in the motherfucking hell the writing staff is able to do all this. If you examine the first seven episodes of this season, structurally, looking at the number of interweaving plotlines and the attention paid to each...it blows the first season out of the fucking water. The first season was very much, "Here's a Mystery of the Week. Also, we will advance a couple plotlines." This season has been integrating the MOTW with the continuing plotlines (and honestly, I didn't think they could do it so much without it getting very contrived, but they've managed well so far (I kind of miss the random students asking for help, though)) so that everything is important. Every episode advances like seven plotlines. I love the hell out of it, but I'm really afraid it's making it more off-putting to newbies. I mean, I will take a stellar second season over no second season at all, but...I also want a stellar third season. And that means we need more new viewers. Who should listen to Joanne Ostrow and visit this "snarkily obsessive, obsessively snarky" site I keep hearing about.
Current Mood: scaredscared
Current Music: Massive Attack - Future Proof

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From:silentsiren47
Date:November 17th, 2005 05:22 am (UTC)
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Here's my theory (which is almost certainly wrong).

Meg's parents were relatively normal, if hyper-religious, until Lizzie started acting out. It may or may not have been the final straw when it looked like Meg was impure as well, and so they became obsessed with keeping Grace pure and godly. (The number of notebooks there implies that it started much sooner than last year, so I don't know.)
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From:sadiekate
Date:November 17th, 2005 07:27 am (UTC)
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This was almost word for word my theory, which I told spectralbovine on the phone. Which he did NOT include in this write-up.

Ahem.

Anyhoo, great minds, and all that.
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From:silentsiren47
Date:November 17th, 2005 02:17 pm (UTC)
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Excellent. I'd be excited if we were right.
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From:schnappycat
Date:November 17th, 2005 05:24 am (UTC)
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I strangely take the Denver Post blurb as a shoutout to me knowing you. Weird huh?

Great writeup and good call on Lamb. I agree with you on that the vagueness of that line could have a million implications. It's awesome to get layers o' Lamb.
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From:funky_donut
Date:November 17th, 2005 06:51 am (UTC)
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The first thing I thought of when I saw that write-up (other than OMFG AWESOME!) was "hey, Agent Laura lives in Denver! Maybe she told them about us!" And then I realized I was being ridiculous.
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From:blixie
Date:November 17th, 2005 05:51 am (UTC)

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Meg needs to wake up and tell me how in the hell she managed to turn out okay

Well, maybe she didn't. I could be over thinking but when I take the 'that boyfriend of hers' line and the dad's follow up wherein he imagines Veronica, as Meg's friend will know that part of the babysitting gig includes fucking around with him on his boat? I think it's possible Meg snapped a ibt when Duncan used her and then dumped her for Veronica.

Then again maybe Mr. Fuller was just another example of the creepy whack jobs that populate that lofty 09'er echelon. This along with Aaron, Jake, Big Dick, you're aren't gonna clean up Neptune but shutting out the poor people, you're just concentrating the dirt.

I totally agree about the intricate plotting this year, I've been banging that drum since the season opener.
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From:violet4120
Date:November 17th, 2005 06:02 am (UTC)
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But dude, what was in that envelope he pocketed?!
This is going to be the new spy pen, isn't it? I have a feeling.

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From:spectralbovine
Date:November 17th, 2005 06:05 am (UTC)
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No, the fortune cookie is the new spy pen. Though Rob claims he's going to tell us what was inside eventually.
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From:violet4120
Date:November 17th, 2005 06:07 am (UTC)
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Oh, yeah, the fortune cookie. Forgot all about that! Hmm...I don't even really care what was in the fortune cookie, really. I'd much rather know what was in the envelope!
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From:schnappycat
Date:November 17th, 2005 06:11 am (UTC)
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We do find out about the fortune cookie in an ep airing in the not-too-distant future. That's all I will say about that.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:November 17th, 2005 06:16 am (UTC)
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You spoilerwhore!!

Also, yay!
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From:schnappycat
Date:November 17th, 2005 06:17 am (UTC)
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That's me. Heh.
From:harriettheelf
Date:November 17th, 2005 06:34 am (UTC)
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Yeah, tonight's episode just blew my mind.

Of course, I've got a cold, so my mind is more easily blown (NOT LIKE THAT) today, but still.
From:harriettheelf
Date:November 17th, 2005 06:34 am (UTC)
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Also, nice fucking icon.
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From:alliterator
Date:November 17th, 2005 07:17 am (UTC)
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Jane Kuhne
What? Where? I like her! Was she at the slumber party?

Also: dude. DUDE. THERE WAS LIKE 52 PLOTLINES. Every. Scene. Mattered.
AWESOME.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:November 17th, 2005 01:03 pm (UTC)
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Dude, she was the sneezing girl! And now she's tertiary! Write her a bio!
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From:squaringkarma
Date:November 17th, 2005 09:38 am (UTC)
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I so need a rewatch. Watching the episode in the common area of your dorm has its perks and its downfalls. Perks are people can stop by and say "Ooooo, Gaby, what are ya watchin'?" and then you can try to pimp the show and get them to stay. Downfalls are people are asking so many questions and also other people just don't care and walk past the fucking TV screen while you're watching. Also, the RAs having a floor meeting at 9:45 forcing you to turn it off just after it comes back from a commercial break CRUEL! And one of the RAs telling you "Oh I've never gotten the VCR to work before." So you're left with a sinking feeling during the floor meeting, what if it doesn't work out? How will you be able to contain yourself? It just won't do. And then after said floor meeting is over, some people take longer than others to fill out the shitty paperwork so they're loud and you can't hear much of what goes on during the last twenty/fifteen minutes of the show. Another downfall is missing the beginning of the chat with your friends about the episode which immediately follows. Le sigh.
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From:valancy
Date:November 17th, 2005 12:09 pm (UTC)
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Yes! and yes!!! and more yes!!!

I'm on a VM high today. There was nothing that was not good. And the Logan. The excessive amounts of Logan! Who doesn't want Veronica getting hurt! And who needs to know V still cares!!!

!!
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From:soundingsea
Date:November 17th, 2005 01:17 pm (UTC)
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I can't believe I thought this season was too sunny.

Word. Seamy underbelly time, baby.

Earlier this week, I was wondering when they were going to pick up the Meg's laptop plotline.

Continuity note: Duncan has Meg's files on a jump drive. He talked about taking Meg's hard drive. Trust me, they would have needed Mac to take the hard drive out of a powerbook, and they didn't have time. (Plus, having all the files on a jump drive would make that pointless. Just erase the files -- the parents aren't going to have a clue about data recovery.)

What was the purpose of the bizarre Mr. Fuller proposition and the headless drawing?

The drawing was uber-creepy, and the proposition just confused me. His wording almost made it sound like her was inviting Veronica for a threesome with his wife ("on sundays, we do such and such"). Wtf?

This incorporation business is going to be big trouble, I think.

Woody gave some geographical boundaries and then Keith said that that wasn't a town, it was a country club and that he wouldn't be able to afford to live there. So I don't think it's just a matter of incorporating Neptune, but rather incorporating the rich part. Definite trouble.

I don't think Meg necessarily was okay. She was sweet, yeah, but also high-strung and perfectionist and prone to crying at the drop of a hat, iirc. She could have been covering up a lot of inner turmoil.

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From:maka2000
Date:November 17th, 2005 01:32 pm (UTC)
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I loved this episode, so, so much. I even grew to like Duncan a little bit. *gasp* Simply because he's much more interesting to me as this somewhat sketchy character. Who knows if all the hints toward a darker side of The Donut will come true...but I'm liking the implications!

What was the purpose of the bizarre Mr. Fuller proposition and the headless drawing?

Yeah, I'm leaning toward the idea that your TV girlfriend wasn't as nice and normal as she seemed. The dad weirdly propositioning Veronica, as if it were no big deal, leads me to believe he did the same to Meg...and the nice, pure Meg we knew, certainly wouldn't have babysat for such a freak anymore after getting such an offer. Would she?

Like Inigo mentioned in the TWoP epi thread, I'm wondering if "Boat Loads of Fun" will come back into play? I'm wondering if Meg was just as promiscuous as Lizzie, but was just better at hiding it? And then the line about smoking a J...got me thinking about her failed drug test and her "I'm a Huge stoner" line. Does it mean more than we thought?! Oy, I'm not really sure. So much to think about. But all around, a spectacular epi!
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From:jenelope
Date:November 17th, 2005 02:27 pm (UTC)
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I'm kind of glad now that Michael Muhney and the damb Lamb lovers got to me, because I was able to yell, "Backstory on Lamb! Yeah, baby!" And then I re-watched the whole sequence. Gotta love the Tivo, man.

You know I'm not a big fan of comparisons to Buffy (because other than a tiny blonde lead living in Southern California and busting bad guys, and the fact that it's really good, I see no reason for it), but the better second season does seem to be a common thread. This season has the potential to be exceptional.

I think the envelope may have contained a note telling Meg how much he loved her. I think Duncan definitely loved Meg more than Veronica, but he's built this thing with Veronica into some kind of mythic, star-crossed lovers thing and can't see that Meg is a better match.

Wake up, Meg.
From:(Anonymous)
Date:November 17th, 2005 03:00 pm (UTC)
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Awwww, I want to make out with her too.

As always the case, I'll x-post my comments from the VM Fans community:

We learn more about everyone as the series continues to progress.

If it was Logan instead of Duncan with Veronica, Logan would have knocked Mr. Manning the fuck out before the assclown could say "Call the Sheriff." I mean, Logan had to go through abuse, and apparently so did Lamb. What a fucking douchebag Mr. Manning is. Man, I do not want to know what that "test" was, or if Meg and/or Lizzie had to go through that crap. I think Lamb gave Mr. Manning a warning with his one sentence and parking his car outside the Mannings' window after he checked on Veronica's story: He finds out that anything happens to Grace, Mr. Manning is in deep shit, and that's the bottom line.

I now have respect for Lamb, more than I have for Duncan.

How long has it been going on?

Had to have been a good while, since Meg was e-mailing CPS for a while before the bus crash.

I think this could play into a theory I posted on dangermousie's LJ a few weeks ago. Remember when RT said that if Aaron was spoiled as Lilly's killer, his back-up plan was that Duncan would have murdered Lilly and that Duncan would have played everyone and faked having epileptic episodes. What if RT took that scenario with Duncan faking everyone out, and put it in this season with Meg as an accomplice?

My theory: Duncan and Meg never broke up. They were still seeing each other up until the bus crash, and they were playing everyone into thinking they had indeed broken up.

Now how would it work? Sometime before the end of the school year, one wanted to break it off with the other(whether it was Meg, because of Duncan's outburst in AtttD, or Duncan, because Veronica told him they weren't siblings), but in the emotion of it all, one of them spilled their secret(either Duncan told Meg that he had thought that Veronica was his sister and that he still has feelings for Veronica and it conflicts with his feelings for Meg, or Meg told him she was pregnant or that she and/or Lizzie and/or their youngest sister are being abused by their father).

So they confide in each other, pretending to break up, but still seeing each other on the sly. Then, when Veronica broke up with Logan, with Meg's blessing, Duncan pursued Veronica to try and resolve his feelings for Veronica. Which would mean that Duncan's shadowing of Veronica at her job and Meg's bitchiness at Veronica over the "breakup" were acts.

One hole is this theory just came up last night as Duncan said he looked through Meg's files and found the e-mails to CPS. Which could mean that that's the first Duncan's heard or seen. Then again, this could be part of their act and Duncan knew and waited for an opportune time to tell Veronica so she could investigative.

What's your take on this theory?

FYI: Steve Guttenberg was just on Cold Pizza this morning, promoting The Poseidon Adventure this Sunday on NBC. VM wasn't mentioned, though Jay Crawford did say Guttenberg played a MLB team owner. Also, I found on IMDB that Mr. Manning is also in The Poseidon Adventure. And that Guttenberg is reprising his role as Mahoney in the new Police Academy movie.

Sorry about the long post.

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From:spectralbovine
Date:November 17th, 2005 06:22 pm (UTC)
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That's an...interesting theory. I don't picture either one of them as the type to do that, though.

And if Duncan just "waited" to tell Veronica when to investigate the possible abuse of his girlfriend's sister (which, by your theory, he knew about)...he really really sucks.
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From:the_partyman
Date:November 17th, 2005 03:24 pm (UTC)
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Great post for a truly great episode!

I totally agree on the multiple-plotlines thing. Impressive stuff.

and OMG! Lamb doing the right thing and checking that closet? Sheer and Utter fucking brilliantness. If brilliantness is even a word. It should be.

Yes.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:November 17th, 2005 06:22 pm (UTC)
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The word you're looking for is "brilliance," mate.
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From:the_partyman
Date:November 18th, 2005 07:53 am (UTC)
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I know, but the extra syllable on "brilliantness" gives it that extra kick of praise, dont'cha think? ;)
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From:jeeperstseepers
Date:November 18th, 2005 04:36 pm (UTC)
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Finally got to watch last week's and this week's VMs. Last week's was very good, but this week's was the OMGWTF *chills!* episode. Seriously, I was shivering.

What was the purpose of the bizarre Mr. Fuller proposition and the headless drawing?

I saw it as good ol' fashioned comic relief. I got a kick out of it. Freakishly well-adjusted kid is a little bit normal after all. Little boys SHOULD be drawing pictures of people with exploding heads and spurting blood.

I love that Lamb is becoming a more interesting character. It's always cool to have the Bad Guy be someone who's not a straight-up bad guy.
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From:cerulgalactus
Date:November 19th, 2005 12:12 pm (UTC)
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I dont like Gia for the exact reasons you like here - she's too "wacky", that whole family has got a giant closet full of neatly ordered, polished and labelled skeletons.

But damn, as someone said above - every scene mattered.

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