October 13th, 2005
|12:22 am - Did I Get Really Drunk at a Biker Bar?|
Okay, before, I get to posting about the episode, I have to post something else. And it might come off as bragging or self-indulgent...because it is. But when you have a fucking Master's degree and you're working in a goddamn university bookstore and you feel that if you actually took stock of your life, you'd start to cry, even the littlest things can make you ridiculously happy. And you need to cling to those things with all your might, to remind yourself that you are the coolest person in the entire world, or at least in the top ten thousand. Fifty thousand. Million, at least. You hope. Maybe.
So, in the premiere (don't worry, there are no spoilers before the cut), there was a reference to a Jennings Crawford. I immediately recognized it as a name Rob had used in both Slave Day and Cupid. So I asked him what the deal was, and he told me Jennings Crawford was a good friend of his with a cool name, and he couldn't believe I caught all those references.
Then, in Rob's commentary for the pilot, he was talking about a song playing by the Wannabes: "The lead singer, uh, of the Wannabes is named, uh, Jennings Crawford, which the close observers of my work may notice is a name that I use a lot; I just like the sound of the name."
Of course, I took "the close observers of my work" as a shout-out to me, because there was obviously no one else in the entire world who had caught his use of the name. I told him I was doing so. His response?
OMG ROB GAVE ME A SHOUT-OUT.
It totally made my day. And just so this isn't All About Me: I also sent him some comments about the commentary from the MM (anonymously, mind you). Like this one:
Ok. So I was wrong about Shelly Pomroy. And I really love RT. Seriously. As in I envy his wife.
I'll have to pass along the "envy his wife" comments to Katie. Make sure she appreciates me.
Now, let's talk about the episode, baby.
OMG MY SHOW IS BACK. No, I mean it this time, guys. Interweaving plotlines, crazy plot twists, the whole kaboodle. I love my show again. Let's give it the rundown.
FBLA! We had that at my high school. And apparently they meet during lunch, and there are only like five members. Huh. I like this new teacher, though.
Okay, hold on here. Let me first just get the one piece of bitching out of the way: the Courtney Taylor-Taylor karaoke scene, though thankfully free of wacky editing, went on way too long. We don't need to linger on him for two whole minutes; he's not important to the fucking plot. I liked the reaction shot to the other couple, though, and the thematic appropriateness of the song.
But really, I think I just need to babble about this episode holistically. Because it kind of rocked. The MOTW wasn't about some random student we just met; it was about Beaver and Kendall, characters we know. That's always a plus in my book. And I liked how it ended up tying into Big Dick's presentation at the very beginning. One thing I love about this show is that you don't realize what's a setup and what's not until you hit the payoff. It all feels throwaway at first.
And whoa, about Logan and Kendall being discovered so soon! This season is moving so damn fast. I thought they would be drawing that out for a much longer time. But Kendall must be really new to town if she doesn't recognize Veronica at all.
The Lamb scene in the teaser was great because Lamb was serious. And right. It was a side of him we'd never seen before. And speaking of good acting, Teddy was pretty good in that Logan/Duncan scene (although the fight was pretty crappy). I'd kind of forgotten the part where Logan's dad killed Duncan's sister, actually, so it was nice to understand the rift a little better.
No idea what's up with Alicia and the man with a badge trailing her and calling her weird names. But she looked really pretty in Chicago.
I HATE JACKIE SO MUCH OMG JUST DIE ALREADY PRIDE AND PREJUDICE HAS NEVER BEEN 600 FUCKING PAGES YOU STUPID BITCH.
The "Start shredding!" scene? Awesome.
Finally, Curly. And The Long Haul (directed by John Enbom, co-writer of this episode!). And re-enacting a movie stunt as a fucking bus crash. Which, let me say something about that: this is the third cliffhanger in a row I didn't get at first. The premiere, I didn't realize it was the bus that had gone off. The second episode, I didn't know who the dead guy was. And this time, I totally didn't pick up on the significance of the Big Stunt (I was thinking of Felix's murder on the bridge). So Veronica thinks that Aaron tried to kill the star witness before he got the death sentence, huh?
All right now. This season is very different from the first season, except I think it's different in a completely awesome way. Because the Alicia thing didn't get resolved in this episode. There are multiple plotlines spanning multiple episodes ending in multiple cliffhangers. No, wait, just the one cliffhanger per episode. The point is, it's reminding me of the first season of Alias. I don't even understand how Rob is getting away with it, really, because he's no longer balancing stand-alone and arc. It's all arc now, which, personally, I love, and I'm loving even more that he's tying it into the arc of the first season.
See, remember what I said about setups and payoffs? I have a sneaking suspicion that Boatloads of Fun Corp., as some have posited, may turn out to be more important than it seemed at first, especially with all this talk of investing and fraud. Plus, notice that Curly took a picture with a famous baseball star (who was not Terrence Cook). I have a feeling Woody Goodman may end being involved in all this business by the end. We've also met the county assessor, a position I knew nothing about. Rob is going to great pains to show us the corruption of the inner workings of the Neptune civil government, and this will most certainly come into play during the county supervisor election, and when Keith actually joins that government (because, really, would we go through all this if Keith doesn't get to be sheriff?). I see all these pieces being laid out, but I don't even know what game we're playing. I get the feeling things we never expected to be tied together are going to end up being tied together, which is what was shown in the microcosm of this episode. You investigate one thing, and you discover something else. And it's never what you expect.
Current Mood: pleased
Current Music: Nine Inch Nails - Ripe (with Decay)
So So So So Cool on the personal shout out to you.
Congrats on the personal shout-out!!
So now, not only are you email buddies, but he has now referenced you in his work. I will go tell everyone I know now...
|Date:||October 13th, 2005 04:36 am (UTC)|| |
That was really cool. And you realize you made my day, too, right?
And I liked how it ended up tying into Big Dick's presentation at the very beginning.
This is something I stupidly didn't pick up, but thank you for pointing it out. It is great.
When that scene aired with Courtney Taylor-Taylor singing Love Hurts, I immediately thought of your icon.
Also, I'm loving the multi-episode arcs that RT is establishing, with some answers but more questions. I love how the true mystery is still very much unclear and undefined and, yet, with each episode, more is revealed, which only further adds to the confusion. Excellent.
I'm really interested in Alicia's mystery.
I wanted to hug Logan after the fight. Not because of Veronica, but because he's so alone and isolated. I just want to experience something good. Because the boy deserves a break.
*avoids episode spoilers*
Dude, you are VM-uber-fan extraordinaire!!!
I love reading about your RT squee moments. :)
I really don't think they can get rid of Jackie fast enough - nobody messes around with our Wallace!
So I'll never wash this keyboard again - because I typed a comment to someone who has personally interacted with Rob Thomas. And his part was intentional! *swoons*
Also loving the layers - already, this is a show you don't want to watch in individual episodes, you want to watch in blocks of four or five. Thanks for the reminder about Boatloads of Fun - they'll now get a little red flag, and a whiteboard with pics of EVERY CHARACTER WE'VE SEEN SO FAR is going up ono the dining room wall. Just in case.
|Date:||October 13th, 2005 04:50 am (UTC)|| |
OMG! You are most awesome and you got a freaking SHOUT OUT FROM ROB THOMAS!! I want to go run and tell all my friends that I know someone who got a shout out from ROB! Ahh.
Ok. Now I must go read your commentary on the episode because I got too excited to focus on that for a minute there.
|Date:||October 13th, 2005 04:58 am (UTC)|| |
I totally agree on your points about this episode. I still think we needed those first two episodes to lay the foundation for the season and that's why they felt so off. They didn't have to get characters in place for us last season because they started off in their places. This season, we were left with a bunch of characters and dangling storylines. They had to resolve those and move people around so that now, things will start to fall into place.
Also, on the LONG karaoke scene - I posted my thoughts on this in my LJ but I'll abbreviate here. At first it seemd long and pointless to me, too. Well, except that I knew who was singing so I wasn't so "wtf" as everyone else. Still, when I rewatched? I think we get that whole thing because it's a parody of our current love triangle. Complete with the bad singing and grand gesture from the first guy (Duncan), the blond girlfriend (Veronica) who is all smiles for him but also can't help but intently watch Courtney, and then Courtney is all "yo, that young love ain't all smiles and sunshine, it's also dark" and then singing about how love hurts. I have totally fanwanked this scene to be about Duncan/Veronica/Logan and now I love it! ;)
Also. Lamb was RIGHT! I sense foreshadowing here. I have no idea if I'm right but I'm betting that it's going to show up again and Veronica will have reason to think he's right later because she's seen it happen once already.
Aww, I love this show.
Courtney is all "yo, that young love ain't all smiles and sunshine, it's also dark" and then singing about how love hurts.
Oh, no. I am totally fine with the karaoke scene, for all the reasons you listed. It's just that when Courtney starts singing, I didn't expect us to stay on him for SO LONG. We get the point, move on. Move on. MOVE ON! I was honestly surprised, because it was a glaring misstep in an otherwise top-notch episode.
Okay, I'm not reading this post at all because, ha, I haven't gotten to the second season yet. BUT I just had to say OMG because I just watched the episode where Veronica and Logan kiss and I freaked out because I was just thinking I'd totally be a V/L shipper and then they went and put all my hopes ON THE DAMN SCREEN. It was beautiful but dammit now I'm gonna have trouble sleeping and I have work in the morning. =P
|Date:||October 13th, 2005 04:58 am (UTC)|| |
That is SO COOL. I would be high off that for, like, ever.
|Date:||October 13th, 2005 05:21 am (UTC)|| |
Congrats on the shout-out. That is awesome.
AWESOMEST SHOUT-OUT EVER. AWESOMEST EPISODE EVER.
I CAN'T STOP TYPING IN ALL CAPS.
I'm loving even more that he's tying it into the arc of the first season.
Also, I totally should have walked over to Rob Thomas and told him I know you. ;P Instant in, baby! ;D
Amen on comparing it to first season Alias.
Okay, now I get it.
*jumps up and down in excitement with you*
|Date:||October 13th, 2005 09:49 am (UTC)|| |
the Courtney Taylor-Taylor karaoke scene, though thankfully free of wacky editing, went on way too long.
It went on so long that the two people I was watching it with were like, "What, is that the producer or something? Or the producer's boyfriend?"
Yeah, ok, guaranteed way to ensure that I never ever give Jackie a fucking break? Have her say ign'ant things about P&P. It does amuse me that they did that scene though, because I don't know any hetero female/hetero male mixed groups who haven't ended up having the OMG COLIN FIRTH/I just don't get the Colin Firth thing conversation. Though it could've been a lot funnier. What, no references to the way he looks at her? No references to him jumping in the water?
Then again, maybe they haven't made it to Pemberley yet. Heh.
|Date:||October 13th, 2005 12:37 pm (UTC)|| |
Finally got UPN New Orleans back Monday afternoon, so I got to watch VM as it happened instead waiting an hour, even though the screen looked like everything's moving in a blur(the WB station did that at first when Time Warner put that back on a couple of weeks ago, so it's just temporary), and it's in widescreen format, like they're using a HD channel from another cable source(which they probably are)for the time being.
Oh, Veronica Mars, how I love thee. And Meg. And Mac.
It will be interesting to see how Veronica's involvement in Big Dick's company getting busted plays out at school and in the FBLA meetings. She made two '09ers go from riches to rags overnight.
It will also be interesting to see how Veronica continues to react to her belief that the bus crash was set up to do her in.
I agree that the season is moving at a quicker pace. And every episode is getting better than the one before it.
I also agree with you that Boatloads of Fun Corp. will be important in some way. I don't think Goodman will be involved, but then again, he is running unopposed, so he could be. Another possibility is that he could be forced into being involved(daughter being threatened, for example).
== BearDogg-X ==
First: Awwww. RT looooves you. And you don't suck. You kinda rock!
Second: I know! With the and the and well . . . yes! Awesome ep! Awesome. I hope the FBLA teacher hangs around. And it's all mixed in, and a shoutout to AD, and Logan and Duncan finally talking and Veronica and Logan finally talking and I have candy and what's with Alicia and Jackie's a whore and Poor Beav and everything's connected like whoa!
I feel like I can't blink at all during this season. Good thing I'm saving all the eps, because I'm imagining that every six weeks or so, a mini marathon will be needed to keep up.
Third: I can't find Rob's commentary. Where is it?
Doesn't my link work? The "commentary for the pilot" link? It's the direct link. Otherwise, it's on his site under Veronica Mars -> Downloads -> Downloads - DVD_Commentary.mp3.
Well, actually, it's cause I'm dumb. My eyes bypass all links when I read something in my lj format. Thanks! You're the very best! I am teh dumbest!
Yay for the acknowledged shout-out to you!
But Kendall must be really new to town if she doesn't recognize Veronica at all.
Between that, and Kendall not knowing the name Veronica on Logan's phone, and the people at Symbolic Motors not knowing the name "Veronica Mars" - I wonder how she stayed off the daily news all summer! Or maybe people just weren't paying attention.
And not knowing what game we're playing has me on edge, yet intrigued. This is probably just what Rob wants!
Haven't seen the ep yet, but congrats on the shout-out.
You and your mi.net people should do a weekly podcast talking about the show (and the other stuff you watch). That would be pretty entertaining.
Heh. Well, we've added a Roundtable Reviews
section to our episodes, so there's that. I'm not sure how to do a podcast, especially since we're located all around the world (East Coast, Midwest, West Coast, Canada, England, Germany, Israel).
Plus I, for one, hate the sound of my own voice. And we'd probably all just end up squealing over the episode instead of attempting some sort of thoughtful commentary.
So, that's why that guy was singing on my TV for so long? My reaction was something like, "Who is this guy supposed to be? A refugee from an Erasure show?" Then, "Why are they lingering on this? I love this song. God, this sucks." And no offense to Courtney Taylor-Taylor, I like the Dandy Warhols, but he should never sing Nazareth again. I did like the reaction from Jeannie and her boyfriend, though.
Now that Veronica has arrived at the conclusion that I came to at the end of the premiere, I think that you were right and they were after Gia. I think the Aaron Echolls connection is a coincidence.
I think this show needs more of Kristen Bell telling Charisma Carpenter that her ass looks awesome. Because it does.
I loved pretty much everything about this episode. Even the Jackie parts, because they're playing it exactly right. Jackie is not as irritating as she could be, because she's supposed to be irritating. And any objections Veronica raises to Wallace are going to be suspect, because she is clearly a bit jealous. Not in a romantic way, but in a "my best friend has a new girlfriend and she's always around" kind of way. Another thing I loved was the entire interchange between Logan and Duncan. I even loved the crappy fight, because I don't believe that Duncan has many fighting skills and I don't think Logan's heart was in it. I loved the little Logan tear, too. I thought, "Aww, Logan. Eh, serves you right. Jackass." (Not entirely liking Logan makes me happy right now. Go figure.)
|Date:||October 13th, 2005 02:46 pm (UTC)|| |
Before this ep I thought Dick/Beaver were the targets (to be harmed in an accident but not killed), as a message to Big Dick, but now that his big secret is seemingly exposed I'm less certain. Taking that into consideration I do think Gia is a pretty likely target as is this Cervando kid. I feel like RT is really going for the dual mysteries are linked thing again so whoever killed Felix is also caught up in whatever corruptive plot lead to the bus sabotage.
I see I'm standing alone in loving the entire "Love Hurts" sequence.
Hee, you used the "LoVe Hurts" icon! Whee! You and your shoutouts rock, and you must be cool because I kind of hate you for it. *g*
I totally agree with you on the awesomeness of the interweaving subplots of this season, but I don't think it's that dramatically different from season one. We've got almost as many subplots/mysteries as the first season going; the main difference I can see is that, overall, the subplots are less whodoneits and more WTF? Because instead of coming in a year after the fact when we know what happened but not the who, why, or how, we're following the mysteries as they happen and unfold, and I think that's what's giving this season a different, and yet equally awesome, feel to it.
Hm. I think you have a point, really. Last season's mysteries were mostly about uncovering the past, whereas this season's mysteries affect what's happened in the here and now.
(Dude, go make that point in the Roundtable Review!)
*runs off to sound smart*
|Date:||October 13th, 2005 04:28 pm (UTC)|| |
The shout-out? Is AWESOME.
I think Keith running for Sheriff will probably be played out for multiple episodes, but him actually getting his old job back? I have some doubts. Because 1) Mars Investigations is too fertile a plot device to shut down completely, and 2) I smell something off about Goodman, and by aligning himself with Goodman in his campaign, I worry that Keith will get mired into some trouble.
I am weary about the whole "featured musician" bit already and don't welcome the prospect of seeing more of the same on the show, but I guess that's a concession you make when you have a struggling show. Better a musical spot than having the network dictate plots or characterization detail anyway.
|Date:||October 13th, 2005 09:10 pm (UTC)|| |
Awesome shoutout! So, since you're all buds with Rob, can you ask him where Backup is? Because seriously, where's Backup?!
I totally agree with you on everything about this episode. At first I thought I just loved it so much in comparison to the relative meh (for me, at least) of the first two episodes, but the more think about, the more I just loved it for itself. It seriously rocked! I watch the show on tape after I watch Lost, and an indicator of how good an episode is (for me) is how much rewinding I do. Seriously, last night's ep took me over an hour to watch (without commercials) because I kept replaying stuff.
Loved the twists and turns, loved the Veronica/Beaver scenes, loved the chaotic getaway of Big Dick (Start shredding!), even loved the karaoke (okay, they did linger a little long on him singing, but I get why). Just love! And I'm seriously intrigued by all the mysteries. I really think there has to be more to it than Aaron trying to kill Veronica. It's too early in the season, so I'm excited to see where this goes. And what is going on with Alicia?
*happy sigh* I hope this is a sign of good things to come.
Congratulations on the shout out! And I think you're in the top million people easy. I'd even go to 500,000.
Thanks for your comments on this episode. I didn't know who it was singing "Love Hurts" I just remember being two lines into it and thankful that they had gotten someone who could sing. Which, heh, knowing what I know now.
And I agree that the difference is that this season while we have one giant mystery in the background of everything it's still undefined. It's not as B&W as who killed Lily. So there are a lot more balls in the air at any given moment.
You're just too cool for school, dude. Too cool.
|Date:||October 14th, 2005 11:28 pm (UTC)|| |
You got a personal shoutout from RT? Ok, now I'm jealous.
No, but seriously, that's awesome! You're like Rob's favorite fan...
And I liked how it ended up tying into Big Dick's presentation at the very beginning. One thing I love about this show is that you don't realize what's a setup and what's not until you hit the payoff. It all feels throwaway at first.
One of the million reasons, but definitely the main reason why this show generates so much obsessiveness. Because we all end up thinking anything and everything could possibly be important later on. Oh, how I love my little show. Take that Lost!
I HATE JACKIE SO MUCH OMG JUST DIE ALREADY PRIDE AND PREJUDICE HAS NEVER BEEN 600 FUCKING PAGES YOU STUPID BITCH.
Haha. Yea, when she slammed P&P I thought, 'Oh, they SO want us to hate her right now.'
This season is very different from the first season, except I think it's different in a completely awesome way. Because the Alicia thing didn't get resolved in this episode. There are multiple plotlines spanning multiple episodes ending in multiple cliffhangers. No, wait, just the one cliffhanger per episode. The point is, it's reminding me of the first season of Alias. I don't even understand how Rob is getting away with it, really, because he's no longer balancing stand-alone and arc. It's all arc now, which, personally, I love, and I'm loving even more that he's tying it into the arc of the first season.
So incredibly different. I'm starting to understand what the cast was talking about when they said the mystery this year is 'huge'. I think JD used the phrase, 'opening a can of worms'? It's insanity, all these multiple mysteries and cliffhangers, and RELATING BACK TO LAST YEAR! Omg. And I just love it. On the edge of my seat television? Equals love.
this will most certainly come into play during the county supervisor election, and when Keith actually joins that government (because, really, would we go through all this if Keith doesn't get to be sheriff?).
NOOO! I've accepted change but I have not accepted this. We need Mars Investigations, with the pretty stain glass window colors, and Keith all indepedent and everything.
I see all these pieces being laid out, but I don't even know what game we're playing. I get the feeling things we never expected to be tied together are going to end up being tied together, which is what was shown in the microcosm of this episode. You investigate one thing, and you discover something else. And it's never what you expect.
|Date:||October 15th, 2005 12:06 am (UTC)|| |
random (sort of): I don't really have internet right now, so I didn't reply to your last reply to my last comment, so email me (email@example.com) and give me your number, so I can call you and squeal about the eps, because a) having no internet makes me all itchy for TWOP and b) I heart you.
Wow, you're a Veronica Mars mover-and-shaker! Congrats on the shout-out. :)