October 6th, 2005
|12:57 am - Don't Pull a Bussy. You're Too Cute.|
HOLY FUCK. Okay, now that my reaction to the ending is out of the way, let's go back to the beginning. Because I do love a good math problem reference.
Except, wait, Meg's alive? Are you saying my Pulp Fiction reference has been rendered inaccurate? As much as I'm glad to get more Meg in the future, I think this lessens the impact of the bus crash. Veronica didn't actually lose anyone she cared about. This means, though, that Meg's not allowed to randomly die during her coma, because that's just stupid. If you were going to kill her, you should have killed her on the bus. And I hope Rob and Co. have something good planned for her to make this, dare I say, cop-out (How else do you describe a scenario in which everyone dies but the one character the audience cares about? How interesting would it have been for one of the nondescript students to survive? This show is usually so good about turning clichés on their head.) worth it. I think I'll get over this, because it's Meg, you know, but really. They said everyone was dead. It would have been much, much ballsier to stick with that. Watch some BSG, Rob.
Don't lose faith. You're never really dead on Veronica Mars unless you're Lisa Rinna. Ask Amanda Seyfried.
At the time, I thought it was funny, because "unless you're Lisa Rinna" was such a funny phrase, but now I realize the subtext behind his words. And it's like, we've lost the trust, you know? Next time someone's in mortal peril, we'll just go, "Oh, they're not going to die. Rob doesn't kill people, unless they're Lisa Rinna." It's possible he's doing this just to fuck with our heads, so we won't believe him when he actually knocks someone off.
On a related note, it's freaking me out and confusing the hell out of me that all these TWoPers I've never seen before and have never interacted with are making references to my feelings about Meg (which, honestly, aren't as strong as people make them out to be, and I didn't realize they were so well known). It's a little unsettling.
But enough about that, because you know what? My show's back, people. This was much better than the premiere. This is what a VM episode is supposed to feel like. Thank you, Diane Ruggiero.
My show's back, but it's...different. There's even more going on than usual. So many subplots! So many Veronica-less scenes! This is a new season.
Oh, hold on! I was just bitching, so let me bitch again: what the fuck is up with Veronica and Duncan having sober, consensual sex (now with added memory!) for the very first time and never mentioning the night of Shelly Pomroy's party? Diane, you wrote "A Trip to the Dentist"; I know you didn't forget about it. To think that neither one would make any sort of awkward, uncomfortable reference to what they were doing and had done is just...what the hell?! Clearly, from Veronica's interactions with Dick, I'm getting that she's trying to move on from the trauma, and I wouldn't say anything if she'd had sex with Logan or anyone else in the entire world. But this is the same person to whom she lost her technical virginity, and I think it'd be a LITTLE WEIRD, you know? KIND OF NICE, BUT ALSO WEIRD.
Fuck it all, let's keep bitching: Jackie sucks. What the hell are you on, Wallace? Surely there are other moderately attractive black girls at Neptune High for you to mack on. Whatever happened to Georgia? Although I'll admit, even though they drew a giant arrow labelled Love Interest and pointed to her, the actual courtship, as it were, isn't as bad as it could be. I like that Wallace is open, yet tough, and I find it kind of amusing that Jackie is so anatagonistic toward the whole idea. But Wallace, having learned from Veronica, is verbally on his toes. He can do so much better, though.
I think I'm done bitching. Wait, hold on! Keith's sex-ometer? Stupid. There. Now I'm done.
I actually really liked this episode, believe it or not. Wallace's detective skillz? Mad. Glad to see the boy's got a brain on him. I mean, he was totally playing Veronica, interviewing witness and finding clues! It was great! And see, that was totally the MotW, because Veronica's mystery was actually doubling as the arc! They never pulled that shit off last season.
I actually liked Jessie, and that scene with her little brother was dynamite. Because that's such a little kid reaction to what happened. And I just now realized why Veronica didn't immediately call Mrs. Cotter on her "wrong number" thing (it bugged me, because surely she knew how long the phone call was at that point): she couldn't accuse her of having an affair with Ed Doyle right in front of her husband. I liked the way that whole mystery played out, with the Pay Phone of Needs Change and the Suicide Note of Leaves Wife.
Kevin Smith? Ruled. So funny (did you notice he was wearing one of the souvenir shirts? (also, you can see a student wearing one of the shirts in the background of one of the Neptune High scenes outside)). Pulling his trademark self-deprecation about his weight. Goth money and non-Goth money. Making Veronica Ed's Last Meal and charging her for it. Oh man. He should be in every episode.
Veronica/Lamb snark! "Why do birds suddenly appear whenever you are near?" And also, hee on the appearance of Sacks.
Dude, Mars vs. Lamb in the Battle for Sheriff. This is going to be good.
Oh! I love Beaver. "I guess I'll just stay home and knit something." Poor kid. I have this horrible feeling he's just going to snap, or something. Maybe choke Kendall to death with a Living Large condom (I guess we have Rick to thank for that). And then shoot his dad in the head and the heart.
Finally, "Where Is My Mind?"! Ooh. People have identified the dead body as the man lighting a votive candle at the bus crash memorial, which, uh, WTF, mate? WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?!
So, my show is back. Kind of. It's not exactly the same show I knew and loved, but I think the elements are there. I don't want to become one of those bitter people bitching about the decline of the show and how good it used to be! At least not this early, for Christ's sake. I am...cautiously optimistic? I want an episode to blow me away, and soon.
Current Mood: confused
Current Music: Curve - Chinese Burn (Lunatic Calm Mix)
Oh, hold on! I was just bitching, so let me bitch again: what the fuck is up with Veronica and Duncan having sober, consensual sex (now with added memory!) for the very first time and never mentioning the night of Shelly Pomroy's party? Diane, you wrote "A Trip to the Dentist"; I know you didn't forget about it. To think that neither one would make any sort of awkward, uncomfortable reference to what they were doing and had done is just...what the hell?!
OMG I KNOW! Seriously. As far as we've seen, Duncan doesn't even know there were drugs involved! I was thinking last week how much I wanted to see her explaining to him just how violated they were and how twisted and traumatic it was. I mean, as far as he's concerned, they've had sex. Sure, they were drunk, she too much so to remember it, and he thought she was his sister, but...sigh. We needed that fallout. Almost as bad a cop-out as the NOT KILLING OF THE MEG! Grrr. I expect this shit from Lost or Desperate Housewives, people, not Rob Thomas.
Sacks! I forgot to mention the goodess that was seeing Sachs! And he falls for Veronica's ploy, while Lamb immediately knows she's up to something. Hee. That was awesome.
And, yeah. I was liking the idea of people angsting over dead!Meg. Now who are they gonna mourn - the
DADA Top!Model!Journalism teacher?
See I guess since I knew that Meg wasn't going to die I don't think of it as a cop out, although I can see how others that were shocked from the info would. Luckily I do not know any more spoilers for any future episodes so I can live in the shock with everyone else. I really need to rewatch the episode, now though, I'm going to bed since I keep having to type words over for misspelling due to tiredness. Also, since I start my job tomorrow. Yay.
I think my exact quote when she showed up at the hotel, which when did they arrange that? It must've been their other scene I slept through ... but b ack to my quote, I believ it was
Then I went ... wait, if Cordy was really out with her husband, then who was Logan with? Ack! OMGWTFBUS!
Kendall was at a function at the Grand. She slipped away for a quickie with Logan, clearly. She answered the phone, remember?
I thought it was her voice ... ohhhh, the event was at the hotel. See, clearly I wasn't paying close attention to this episode.
|Date:||October 6th, 2005 05:13 am (UTC)|| |
I liked this episode, although yeah - what you mentioned - about Veronica/Duncan not saying *anything* about the Pomroy Party incident - what. the. eff.
they drew a giant arrow labelled Love Interest and pointed to her
Yes they did, and it SUCKED. I just hated how obvious it was. And mildly racist. It seemed so very, very "She is black, I am black, I must date her now." Especially when coupled with the complete lack of "oh, no, she better not think I'm more-than-friends with whitey-mc-whiterson Veronica". Le sigh, moving on.
Meg being alive made me die inside. My only thought? Clues from what happened in the minutes before the crash.
Kevin Smith? Ruled.
Okay, so I'm watching him, and going "That looks like KS. Is that KS? It looks like him. But something is off. What's off?" and then I realized that he was talking, and that was what was off.
Cause he's Silent Bob. Get it?
Okay, you don't read fic, but someone wrote one about how Lamb is crushing on Veronica, and now I take it as truth. Especially cause MM responded about it. He totally gets a boner from her. My thoughts on that, with that scene? HEE!
Oh! I love Beaver. "I guess I'll just stay home and knit something." Poor kid.
Word. He's awesome. Love that he found the wrapper.
My biggest sadness? (cause dammit, I am NOT going to get wrapped up in analyzing this show!) So very, very little Wallace/Veronica interaction. I love those two, and they had what, one scene? Tear. Very sad.
Heh. I guess I've just been to enough talks by Kevin Smith at ComiCon that him talking didn't faze me at all. (Also, he's got a DVD of his college campus talks out that's really funny and has managed to distill down the best of his stories and comments and such.)
I don't usually post much, but I do a lot of lurking, so even though we've never interacted before, as soon as they said Meg was alive, my thought was, "P-C's gonna be so happy!" Just putting that out there. I'm not a stalker; I just love VM and love good writing and analysis. So... hi!
And word to this being a new and different VM. Definitely a different feeling from last season. I wonder how much the weak details are the result of the rumored clashes RT was having with UPN brass over the summer.
As much as I'm glad to get more Meg in the future, I think this lessens the impact of the bus crash.
This is exactly how I felt. "MEG LIVES!!!! Wait...wtf?"
So, yeah, I think I'll take your route and try to have confidence that Rob will be doing something good and important and worth it with Meg to justify this, because that really was pulling punches in a way that this show doesn't normally do. I mean, Veronica's upset would have been more poignant if Meg was actually dead, if there were no takebacks, no chance for anything to ever be right. It's sort of cruel of me to wish such a painful unresolved issue on Veronica, BUT that's drama, baby.
On a related note, it's freaking me out and confusing the hell out of me that all these TWoPers I've never seen before and have never interacted with are making references to my feelings about Meg.
OMG, hee! You're famous! Though, yeah, I can see how that would be vaguely creepy.
He can do so much better, though.
Awww. I sort of liked her. I think she won me over with, "A 'whatever, bitch' and a 180 back to study hall and maybe we coulda had something."
I think, also, that she'll be much more than Wallace's love interest considering whatever mysterious thing her dad was yelling at Steve Guttenberg (who is far too nice-seeming to be...that nice) last week.
I also enjoy that Veronica DISAPPROVES. Hee.
It was great! And see, that was totally the MotW, because Veronica's mystery was actually doubling as the arc!
Yes! So much love for detective!Wallace. This episode was really noticeable in terms of how differently it was structured than the episodes normally were last season, but not at all in a bad way. There was a lot going on, but it didn't feel crowded like last week.
Dude, Mars vs. Lamb in the Battle for Sheriff. This is going to be good.
I am giddy with excitement. No, really.
I have thoughts on Veronica/Duncan, but I will perhaps save them for my own posting!
I think she won me over with, "A 'whatever, bitch' and a 180 back to study hall and maybe we coulda had something."
Yeah, that was all right. I also loved the exchange where Wallace was like, "So what do you think that means?" And she's like, "You want to get in my pants?" And Wallace says, "Yeah, and?" BRILLIANT.
I posted my comments on why Meg couldn't die over in ohimesamamama
's entry, but I think the primary thematic reason boils down to that it'd have been too close a repeat of last season. "Blonde Friend is murdered, Girl detective cracks case?" Twice in a row? Not so good.
Plus, she's going to have very personal involvement, thanks to the Dead Guy's handy little note.
|Date:||October 6th, 2005 12:19 pm (UTC)|| |
I don't feel like it's a cop-out to have Meg survive the crash either(not just because I like Meg, and I've been just as vocal as you, spectralbovine, in that regard), because it doesn't change the fact that Veronica could have been on the bus with Meg when it went over the cliff, if Lilly hadn't intervened. Veronica's guilt over Meg fighting for her life while everybody else died and she's still standing and breathing, in a way, is part of the reason she's investigating the bus crash. If Veronica didn't think that she could still work things out with Meg and if she still considers Meg to be a friend, she probably wouldn't have agreed to investigate after Jessie laid the smack down on that girl in the bathroom.
They said everyone was dead.
The only one that said, "They're all dead!" was Gia Goodman, and that was when the crash first happened and everybody was still in shock over it. I would think that would be the natural response to something like a bus going over a cliff and crashing into the ocean.
Lamb knows deep down inside that Veronica Mars will always be smarter than him.
I agree with you about Veronica and Duncan's hookup in his hotel room. I think that they wanted to that part of the past behind them, but it was a nice touch to have Veronica sneak out on Duncan while he was still asleep.
And I also liked how Keith decided to run for sheriff, after seeing his successor at work and after initially declining to first.
Now that the episode review is done, I'm going off-topic with this; In the Ratings and Scheduling thread on the VM boards at TWoP, Couch Baron posted this yesterday:
This is a random question, but a reader from New Orleans contacted me, and I have no idea of the answer, so I thought I'd ask here. Does anyone have any idea when UPN service will be restored in Southern Louisiana? The person in question is rebuilding her house with her family, and is missing VM as a comforting distraction in a tough time. If anyone knows anything about the affiliate down there, please post. Thanks!
Tell CB that the UPN station in New Orleans(it's really based in Slidell) is up and running and has been for at least the last three to four weeks. They're just slow in updating their website[that might be because it's O&O by Viacom until the sale of the station to Belo Corp., which owns WWL(the N.O. CBS affailate), is finalized]. It also depends on what cable company she has. I know for sure that if she has DirecTV or Charter, she should be able to catch UPN New Orleans. I live in Houma, about 50-60 miles SW of New Orleans, and my cable provider, Time Warner Cable still hasn't put UPN New Orleans back up yet(in fact, all the other N.O. broadcast stations except for the PBS stations are broadcasting again in some form). I have to ask my aunt next door, who has DirecTV to tape it for me, so at least I still get to watch VM, and at least I got her hooked into the show(I had already gotten my mom hooked last season by running a mini-marathon with my tapes Super Bowl weekend).
== BearDogg-X ==
Yeah, I understand about Meg, a bit. We'll see what happens. This is just my initial reaction.
I think that they wanted to that part of the past behind them, but it was a nice touch to have Veronica sneak out on Duncan while he was still asleep.
I noticed that, and, again, I wanted some actual reference to make sure I knew she was doing it on purpose. Of course, I had an inkling Diane did it on purpose, but I want to know whether Veronica saw it.
I posted your info in the thread. Thanks.
|Date:||October 6th, 2005 01:05 pm (UTC)|| |
I noticed that, and, again, I wanted some actual reference to make sure I knew she was doing it on purpose.
Huh, I guess I think showing is alot more artful and powerful than telling, and I'm not sure how much more obvious the entire sequence could have been in that respect.
From Veronica hearing Carla's regret about never having been with the man she loved, V's clear desire to reclaim what she and Duncan had stolen that night right that minute, to the vaguely melancholy and mutually unsatisfying post-coital and the slinking away. Capped off by the Loronica post-nookie having with others confrontation. It was without a doubt my favorite part of the episode.
I can't remember if I've ever told you about that thing my mother does when my father says something like "Can you make me a coffee?" She does exactly what Veronica did to Jackie when she asked for the macchiato. Except that my mum says "poof" when she does the little magical hand movement. "poof, you're a coffee." I always thought my mother was unbelievably corny for doing that. I guess her corniness is still in the range of normal, if Rob is having Veronica do it on TV.
what the fuck is up with Veronica and Duncan having sober, consensual sex (now with added memory!) for the very first time and never mentioning the night of Shelly Pomroy's party?
I just assume it happened off camera. We didn't see every bit of The Sex and all the pre and post conversation.
Speaking of seeing The Sex, HOLY CRAP DID YOU SEE LOGAN AND KENDALL?
While Logan has always been the most interesting and entertaining character and the one I enjoy watching most, Wallace is my favorite in terms of who he is as a person. If I knew Logan in real life, I'd hate him and stay far away; if I knew Wallace in real life I'd want to be his best friend. Tonight, however, I was so disappointed in him. The fact that he likes that little bitca definitely lowers my opinion of him. As soon as it became clear what a brat she is, he should have pointed her in the right direction, turned around, and gone back to class. He's still adorable and he's still a great guy, but his liking her is a major flaw in my eyes.
Maybe it's just because I'm a television viewer and not in the actual story, but the moment we heard the "suicide" note, it seemed clear to me that the wording could be an "I'm leaving you" note. And on a related topic, would it really qualify as a suicide note if it's in a file on his computer and not printed out or left on the screen for people to see? I'm not in law enforcement, but I hope that if I were, I wouldn't use someone's hidden draft of a suicide note as solid evidence of suicide. I mean, people contemplate suicide, write poems or stories about doing it, or fiddle with writing suicide notes all the time. It's just that most of that stuff isn't found because most people's hard drives and garbages aren't searched by the police.
I too love Beaver. He can come over to my house and we'll have a Stitch 'n' Bitch.
The episode was good enough, and I'm not sure why I'm not crazy about it. Running through it in my mind, I can't really find anything that wrong with it, but for whatever reason, my feeling at the end was "okay..."
My thought during the episode was, "This is never going to be anyone's favorite episode, but it's still really good."
As for whether the suicide note qualifies: remember, this is Lamb we're talking about.
|Date:||October 6th, 2005 10:52 pm (UTC)|| |
I think it'd be a LITTLE WEIRD, you know? KIND OF NICE, BUT ALSO WEIRD.
I thought it was weird. And while the show didn't make an issue of it, they also didn't make it out to be 'not weird' either. Maybe they're going to get to it, but just not yet...
Jackie sucks. What the hell are you on, Wallace?
I think maybe he's onboard the Xander/Cordelia train. Note - different characters, different shows, and so on... but dude. It's not like Jackie is unnatractive. Or maybe, he likes her because she's new.
Or maybe he's going to hook up with her, because that will put him in the sort of position where he has access to her dad and Woody Goodman through him, and Veronica will probably call that in...
And yes. Beaver will snap. Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow. But someday. And soon, and for the rest of his life...
Okay, just saw this episode (damn you, Yankees!) and I loved it. Kevin Smith, Lamb, Sacks, and an amazing ending. Jackie? Eh. Meg alive? I had the same reaction as you - it sort of lessened the impact of the bus crashing, because now we don't know anybody who died. We KNEW Meg, that was the shocking part, that Rob would kill someone who was a regular guest star and was well-liked by fans.
Now, I'm going to go and stick pins in the voodoo dolls I made of UPN and the Yankees.
Body at end - wasnt that the reporter guy who was trying to grill Wallace earlier?
I had a huge WTF moment of shock when I found out Meg was alive. (I just watched the episode; keep missing it on Wednesday, dangit) It's true, though; you're never actually DEAD on Veronica Mars unless you're Lisa Rinna. Or, even, Felix. 'cause I think Felix is actually dead, not just playing dead in the morgue somewhere or something...Though, I find it odd that after being there with Veronica at the bus death scene, Weevil didn't make a single appearance in this episode, especially since you'd think there'd be more references to Weevil's entire issue with Logan and the '09ers and Felix's death and all.
I was of the opinion in both this episode and the last, actually, that they'd gotten over last season's issues far too quickly, even though there was an entire summer to get over them. I agree in the entire "wow, Veronica's so casual towards sex with Duncan now...that makes little to no sense" thing. I do think that Wallace showing interest in Jackie was a little stereotypical and slightly racist, but I guess it makes sense; Wallace totally rocked in his pseudo-Veronica mode. I really liked how he sensed how distressed Veronica was when he called her and didn't bother her about Jackie's car case.
Who's Kevin Smith?
AND YOU'RE RIGHT! That dude at the end is totally the guy Veronica helped light the candle. I'm now intrigued. Did he write that, or did someone else? Did he commit suicide? Is someone trying to kill Veronica? Is someone trying to frame Veronica? O___O *INTRIGUUUE*
I was surprised, actually, to find that Jackie was Terrence Cook's daughter, though. (Did I get the name right?) But now I'm thinking Jackie/Terrence are going to play a bigger part of the mystery. And I'm so looking forward to Lamb vs. Mars in elections.
And I heart Beaver. I think I'm done now. =)
Who's Kevin Smith?
Clerks. Mallrats. Chasing Amy. Dogma. Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back.
If these names mean nothing to you, go to your local video rental store now. Watch them in order for the best experience.
*snerks* I might just do that.
And another question just popped in my mind! Didn't Duncan say his parents are in some other house of theirs elsewhere, and that he was staying 'cause he didn't want to transfer schools for his senior year? Then why oh why did Veronica and Duncan meet up in the Neptune Grand for their risque little meeting? It's not as if they were at risk of having Duncan's parents walk in on them, right? Argh, sorry, I keep overthinking things. ^^;
And now I get the note thing. It allll becomes clear now.
Duncan's staying at the Presidential Suite at the Neptune Grand.
|Date:||October 9th, 2005 07:07 am (UTC)|| |
No way is Mallrates better than Dogma.
Uh, that's not what I said. I said watch them in order. Because they make reference to each other.
|Date:||October 9th, 2005 07:10 pm (UTC)|| |
Apologies - I misread your "best experience" comment.
But I am slightly confused on a minor issue: Why did Wallace take the sheet of paper from that reporter in the store? I'm guessing it sort of tipped him in the direction of a reporter pretending to be a student to get stories, but meh?
Right. He recognized the paper as the same type of paper used for the fake insurance information note. In the detective business, they call that a clue.
Oooohhh, I'm excited now, cause I can go back and find all your VM related entries and actually read/understand. Woo!
Just click the veronica mars tag, and have a ball!