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March 19th, 2009


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07:05 pm - You Know We're Never Gonna Survive Unless
In discussing last night's Lost, toastandtea made the best comment about the show ever:
How does every episode keep having multitudes of crazy things happening?!? How have they not run out of craziness yet??!? THIS SHOW.
I am amazed as well! And then I compared the show to Battlestar Galactica in that on Lost, the crazy seems to make sense. It feels like pieces falling into place, whereas, having watched The Last Frakkin' Special, I know for sure that Ron Moore just makes it up as he goes along. He comes up with OMGWTF moments and jams them into the narrative, which can be an effective strategy and, admittedly, is sort of what the first few seasons of Lost were like. And I can enjoy and appreciate that sort of story well enough. But with Lost, I feel confident that they have these last three seasons planned out, and they're doing a damned admirable job of making it look like the first three seasons were just as planned out with the way they're integrating things from past seasons into the larger story.

(sophia_helix and I independently assigned the credit for Lost's revival of awesomeness to Brian K. Vaughan, and we are both bewildered that more people have not just come out and said it. I do not believe that the timing of his joining the writing staff, the negotiation of an end date, and the immediate improvement in the show is a coincidence.)

You know what other show pulls a lot of crazy shit? Heroes. In fact, it tends to pull a lot of the same crazy shit, using the same Storytelling Element Lost has introduced in full-force this season (I'm trying to stay vague for the benefit of lodessa, who is in the enviable position of getting to mainline the show from the beginning while being largely unspoiled). When Heroes does it at this point, we groan. But when Lost does it, we get more excited! Again, we trust the crazy on Lost now.

I don't really have a point, exactly, except that Lost is awesome.
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From:sainfoin_fields
Date:March 20th, 2009 02:10 am (UTC)
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Lodessa.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:March 20th, 2009 02:11 am (UTC)
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Oh. Right. Heh.
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From:catatonia00
Date:March 20th, 2009 06:18 am (UTC)
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Cutie from LotS. She'd be perfect as Rachel Lefevre's daughter.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:March 20th, 2009 02:27 am (UTC)
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I fully expect lots of shit to blow up, including our minds!
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From:the_partyman
Date:March 20th, 2009 04:17 am (UTC)
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It so is. :)
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From:catatonia00
Date:March 20th, 2009 06:35 am (UTC)
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I have nothing much to say as I'm an unintelligeble blob of mass when watching Lost. Except, it really is kinda fun and crazy awesome.
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From:roxybisquaint
Date:March 20th, 2009 06:40 am (UTC)
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I couldn't agree more!. LOST is AWESOME. I've loved it since the beginning and even kept he faith during the iffiness of seasons 2 & 3. But last season rocked and this season is just the best ever. Everything really is falling into place. I am loving it like never before and I have no doubt whatsoever that the ending of this series will be extremely satisfying.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:March 20th, 2009 03:23 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, I kept the faith during season 2 and even most of season 3. And just as I started getting a little irritated with it, BKV came along and saved the show.
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From:mycenae
Date:March 20th, 2009 07:03 am (UTC)
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I have been enjoying Lost so much since they got their shit together and figured out what was actually going on. Plus Michael Emerson owns. BKV's writing is definitely a huge gain, but I think Ben has really become the fulcrum of the show and Emerson made Ben. They gave him a pretty standard infiltrator character to play and he turned him into an amoral deadpan mastermind of win. I dunno, I just think he gave them something strong to write around, and that Lost might have ended up a bit differently if someone else had been cast as "Henry" originally.

Having an endpoint is so important for shows like Lost/Heroes/BSG, but networks want open-ended shows that go on foreeeever so they end up lost in the wilds of filler episodes and useless plot digressions.

"The year in Baltar's hair" (as I believe you termed it) was quite possibly the most OMGWTF of all OMGWTF moments in tv history. Even if BSG's ending leaves me bemused and unimpressed, I will still treasure it for all the years of freak-outs it has given me.
From:dotificus
Date:March 20th, 2009 01:48 pm (UTC)
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Even if BSG's ending leaves me bemused and unimpressed, I will still treasure it for all the years of freak-outs it has given me.

Yes. This. BSG has caused me to literally jump out of my seat, and not many movies or TV shows afford that kind of genuine surprise.

But I still hope that tonight it is made of shock and awe, and not kind of lame and uneven the way it was say . . . oh, last week.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:March 20th, 2009 03:26 pm (UTC)
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BSG has caused me to literally jump out of my seat
The end of the S1 finale caused my heart to skip a beat. I seriously think MY HEART ACTUALLY SKIPPED A BEAT.
From:dotificus
Date:March 21st, 2009 03:32 am (UTC)

MY HEART ACTUALLY SKIPPED A BEAT.

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YES! I was lying down on the couch and still managed to levitate off it by at least four inches. Plus, I yelled so loud I was afraid I woke up my childers.

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From:spectralbovine
Date:March 21st, 2009 03:25 pm (UTC)

Re: MY HEART ACTUALLY SKIPPED A BEAT.

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Oh yeah, I was sitting down, and I think I practically leapt out of my seat.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:March 20th, 2009 03:25 pm (UTC)
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Oh, I also agree about Ben. Michael Emerson totally owns.

Did I make up a hilarious BSG term? Go me! That was pretty damn OMGWTF, and I still remember that I couldn't even DEAL with the rest of the episode because I was so OMGWTFed.
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From:rachelmanija
Date:March 20th, 2009 08:11 pm (UTC)
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Ben does the best line-readings ever. He can say "Hello," and the room explodes with awesomeness.

"My mother taught me to read, Jack."
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From:spectralbovine
Date:March 20th, 2009 08:18 pm (UTC)
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I think one of the TWoP recappers said that Michael Emerson has the ability to make any scene he's in feel like the most important scene in the episode. I don't know what it is. It's one of those intangibles that you either have or you don't. He just rules the school.
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From:cerulgalactus
Date:March 20th, 2009 08:06 am (UTC)
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Just when I think that LOST can't get any more awesome, it does get waaaaay more awesome. And to that, I blame Jimmy LaFleur.
From:wee_warrior
Date:March 20th, 2009 08:21 am (UTC)
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I blame other things - and other people - for Lost's awesomeness, being not the greatest BKV fan in the world, but awesome it is. In some way, I'm glad Heroes started sucking so rapidly, or I would have tried out Lost far later.
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From:harper47
Date:March 20th, 2009 01:19 pm (UTC)
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Lost is awesome. I can't believe how much the show turned around and yes, the credit should be given to who it belongs to. Seriously this show went from okay Lost is on, whatever, is it a Desmond ep to OMG LOST IS ON - CAN NOT WAIT, CAN NOT WAIT status.

Now that's writing!
From:dotificus
Date:March 20th, 2009 01:45 pm (UTC)
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This reminds me that I never got back to you as I intended on a comment to say LOST is one fannish thing I haven't participated in at all. But after reading this post and the comments, I think I have to try it.

Sometimes planning or outlining a story in advance can make it feel too artificial, but then sometimes making it up as the writer goes along can make it feel too unbelievable. I suppose it depends on which style suits that particular writer better, is more true to him or her as an artist.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:March 20th, 2009 03:28 pm (UTC)
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But after reading this post and the comments, I think I have to try it.
Join the zeitgeist!
From:dotificus
Date:March 21st, 2009 03:33 am (UTC)
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I have to watch it just because of the awesomeness of that icon.
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From:rachelmanija
Date:March 20th, 2009 08:09 pm (UTC)
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The recent plotting on Lost is pure Vaughan. I'm loving the show all over again.

I also suspect that the fact that a few female characters are getting to be bad-ass without also being crazy or pregnant is attributable to Vaughan. (I so love that the relationship between Spoiler and Spoiler was explicitly attributed to him being able to trust her to guard his back. Though I'm sure it will be stupidly broken up due to the boring cliched love triangle with Spoiler.)

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From:spectralbovine
Date:March 20th, 2009 08:16 pm (UTC)
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The recent plotting on Lost is pure Vaughan. I'm loving the show all over again.
Yeah, Vaughan is all about crazy plot twists that ACTUALLY MAKE SENSE. Because he's been seeding clues without your even noticing. So I think with this, he must have mainlined the first three seasons and figured out how to retroactively pretend he'd done the seeding.

(I so love that the relationship between Spoiler and Spoiler was explicitly attributed to him being able to trust her to guard his back. Though I'm sure it will be stupidly broken up due to the boring cliched love triangle with Spoiler.)
Hee!
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From:thetheatremouse
Date:March 22nd, 2009 01:24 am (UTC)
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I feel like I'm missing something... Don't get me wrong, I'm really digging this season, and digging Lost again lately more than I have since S1, but... I read this post before I'd caught up on my DVR so I was all anticipating some real craziness from the most recent episode, and maybe it was just because of my anticipation, but it didn't seem like there was extra brand new crazinesses happening in that one.
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From:lynevere
Date:March 22nd, 2009 10:31 pm (UTC)
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lodessa, who is in the enviable position of getting to mainline the show from the beginning while being largely unspoiled

Good luck to her. I didn't decide to watch LOST until the writers set an end date, and my original plan was to plow through seasons 1-4 on DVD. Even without watching anything, I was impressed how much was unintentionally spoiled for me in the news (largely through DUI's and subsequent firings.)

I ended up watching the first 30 episodes of the show, but I started getting bored in the second season. I read the recaps for seasons 2-4 and tried again at Season 5, which I've been quite enjoying. As you were saying, though, it does appear that Season 4 was where things started to get good. Someday I'll probably even watch it.

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