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12:04 am - Sci-Fi Friday!
Sometimes I look through old journal entries and see these great lines and wonder if it's okay to steal them for actual stories or books later. They deserve to be seen by a larger audience! For instance, my last post contained the following line, re: my car:
It gets me from point A to point B, but not point C, which is where the chicks are.
I thought it was kind of funny, and, to my delight, a couple people agreed. Including toastandtea, who then proceeded to illustrate my statement. I must share it with you all because it is more hilarious than my line by itself:



toastandtea, ladies and gentlemen. I highly recommend her journal!

And now I believe I have some television to talk about.

The Sarah Connor Chronicles

I totally forgot what happened on this show! It's been a while.

Imaginary Kyle! One of my favorite devices! And it was handled really well here; Kyle was just there for emotional support and not imparting ridiculous plot information that Sarah could not know. And he wasn't there when Sarah was unconscious. Thumbs up, Imaginary Kyle!

I really liked the doctor! I'm not entirely sure what the backstory between her and Alvin is supposed to be, but the show implied enough. Yet I find myself wanting to know more about her! This show has a tendency to have really interesting one-shots. Often female.

(That was Ash, right??)

Holy crap, Weaver in the frickin' warehouse was AWESOME and SCARY. When she told John Henry that "that shouldn't have happened," I thought she was scolding him for scanning things he wasn't supposed to. But instead she was just REEEEEALLY pissed that someone used an unsecure line. So everyone has to die. Criminy.

I do wish I had more ball-and-socket joints.

Dollhouse

So this is the new Joss Whedon show, huh? The one everybody's talking about. </BlackBerry Storm commercial>

I know a lot of people had qualms about the premise, and I couldn't understand the preemptive squick. Watching the pre-credits sequence, however, I agreed that the show is totally icky. But it knows that. It was still more uncomfortable to watch than I expected. I mean, I wasn't a fan of the Angel mindwipe, and this show is like the mindwipe multiple times an episode. It was so sad to see the Eliza Dushku-shaped woman who'd just had a wonderful time, who'd met a great guy have that entire...everything erased.

And I can definitely see the weird characterization problems inherent in the premise. I mean, we spend half the episode with Echo-shaped Eleanor Penn, and then she's gone. But I'm sure Joss knows what he's doing; it's unfair to judge based on one episode. Maybe it will become clear in future episodes how we can actually connect with Echo—and whoever she was before she entered the Dollhouse (the graduation video helped on that front, as did the opening scene). And are we to assume that was Echo's old house at the end? And that Mystery Informant killed her fucking parents?

I wonder where they get the personalities they meld together. Are they former Actives? That seems like the best guess, but if being an Active is a five-year stint, how long have they been doing this? And how did they imprint the original Actives?

Agent Helo is pretty cool! He holds people at gunpoint while peeing! Wow, that sentence can totally be read the wrong way. Also, he apparently watched "Unfinished Business" way too many times.

I like the conflict among all the people who actually run the Dollhouse. Miss Hot British Lady and Handler Guy and Topher the Science Guy and Dr. Pretty Amy Acker. And they appear to have outside help from suits. It is all very intriguing.

It does seem lacking in humor, though, for a Joss show. A couple chuckles, but nothing great.

Overall, I think the show does seem to want to tackle issues of identity and what makes us who we are, which are themes very dear to me, but it's going about it in a very uncomfortable-to-watch way, which is why it's going to get cancelled.

Battlestar Galactica

WHAT THE FUCK.
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From:mycenae
Date:February 14th, 2009 08:11 am (UTC)
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I didn't find this week's BSG all that WTF, could you please elaborate more?

I agree that Dollhouse is uncomfortable and that it will get canceled. Hopefully we get a bit of an interesting story first.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:February 14th, 2009 08:13 am (UTC)
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I didn't find this week's BSG all that WTF, could you please elaborate more?
It was an hour of dizzying exposition about crazy Cylon history, and my brain could not put it all together in a sensemaking fashion, especially after ELLEN TIGH DESIGNED ALL THE OTHER MODELS.
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From:mycenae
Date:February 14th, 2009 08:20 am (UTC)
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With only six episodes left, I was expecting a big dump of exposition soon, so I guess I was just like, "Oh, good, the story!" It does seem oddly disproportionate after years of getting only a tiny bit of story at a time, but what else could they really do?

Ellen is awesome. I think I need an Ellen HBIC icon now...
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From:newsong
Date:February 14th, 2009 08:13 am (UTC)
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BAHAHAHAHA. Great illustration.
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From:janinedog
Date:February 14th, 2009 08:17 am (UTC)
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I actually really liked Dollhouse. I hope it doesn't get canceled. :(
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From:incidentist
Date:February 14th, 2009 09:52 am (UTC)
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Informative! I didn't catch that line when I read the post. It's funny and you should steal it from yourself later, but make up for it by coming up with a second funny thing when you do. That way you pay it forward...to yourself.

I didn't know Dollhouse had premiered! What channel is it on? I may have to watch it in non-download format! Not gonna miss the boat on this Whedon show, no sir!
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From:cerulgalactus
Date:February 14th, 2009 10:17 am (UTC)
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It's on FOX, so the chances of it lasting over a season are about 8%.
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From:cerulgalactus
Date:February 14th, 2009 10:16 am (UTC)
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Dollhouse will get cancelled, because it's on FOX and FOX has a hardon for screwing over Joss. Plus, it's a show with Eliza in, and she is the female Nathan Fillion.

Plus, it seems to be a show that you have to pay attention to the overall storyarc, whatever it turns out to be.
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From:stephl
Date:February 14th, 2009 01:52 pm (UTC)
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Overall, I think the show does seem to want to tackle issues of identity and what makes us who we are, which are themes very dear to me, but it's going about it in a very uncomfortable-to-watch way, which is why it's going to get cancelled.

Get outta my head! I like the ideas behind the premise, but I don't think it's possible to tell a serialized story where human trafficking is the central theme and is being used to teach A Message.

At least FOX didn't cancel it halfway through.
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From:sabra_n
Date:February 14th, 2009 02:59 pm (UTC)
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*reads BSG recap*

BWAHAHAHA. Not that the episode was funny in and of itself, but man that is some quality crack. I'm going to have to play DVD catchup when this is all over for sure.
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From:miniglik
Date:February 14th, 2009 05:27 pm (UTC)
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Ellen Tigh made all the other Cylons? Really?

*eye roll*

Also, poor Dollhouse. I want to watch -- but when even the bigger Buffy/Angel/Firefly fans are all kind of squicked by it, and it's on Friday nights... doomed. Doomed, doomed, doomed.
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From:electricmonk
Date:February 14th, 2009 06:46 pm (UTC)
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Those are some seriously bodacious stick ladies!
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From:spectralbovine
Date:February 14th, 2009 06:54 pm (UTC)
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They have a crush on every boy!
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From:electricmonk
Date:February 14th, 2009 07:03 pm (UTC)
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Haha. I had almost called the middle girl The Ugly One!!, but then I decided that ragging on small-chested women, even stick ones, is not in my best interest.
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From:ahtrap
Date:February 15th, 2009 02:39 am (UTC)
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but on the other hand, she's the one wearing a see thru dress....
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From:prophetkristy
Date:February 14th, 2009 08:18 pm (UTC)
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BSG = WTF INDEED. I'd like to kick Adama in the face right now.
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From:prophetkristy
Date:February 14th, 2009 08:23 pm (UTC)
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(and I though that "point C" line was brilliant, and very deserving of a humourous illustration! Well done, sir.)
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From:spectralbovine
Date:February 15th, 2009 08:37 am (UTC)
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Really? For what?
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From:prophetkristy
Date:February 15th, 2009 07:27 pm (UTC)
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For putting Gaeta in front a firing squad for (sensibly) resisting an alliance with the Cylons, and then suddenly telling Chief "KEEP YOUR CYLON COOTIES AWAY FROM MY SHIP."
From:ikcelaks
Date:February 14th, 2009 11:06 pm (UTC)
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Did anyone else instinctively set their mouse over the drawing?
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From:spectralbovine
Date:February 15th, 2009 08:37 am (UTC)
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Ha!!
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From:chrismarlowe
Date:February 14th, 2009 11:21 pm (UTC)
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I didn't find the concept of Dollhouse to be squicky in the least and I have been a longtime Buffy/Angel/Firefly. I've seen tons of shows, Alias, Burn Notice, Chuck etc where people pretend to be others. This is just a logical extreme of that. It was odd that Echo was hired to help recover a girl in a kidnapping, when I sort of expected her to simply be hired to fulfill someone's fantasy.

Also watching BSG maybe has hardened me to seeing folks minds messed with on a weekly basis, Cylon and human.

And I hope Dollhouse doesn't get cancelled, we finally get a JOSS WHEDEON created tv show and I want it to be given a fighting chance.


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From:spectralbovine
Date:February 15th, 2009 08:39 am (UTC)
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I've seen tons of shows, Alias, Burn Notice, Chuck etc where people pretend to be others. This is just a logical extreme of that.
I have no problem with people pretending to be other people. Hell, I watched The Pretender. But they're all only playing parts, not sacrificing their identities.
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From:stella_hime
Date:February 16th, 2009 03:49 am (UTC)
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Hell, I watched The Pretender.

I'm actually relieved to hear this. I thought I was the only person who ever watched this show. Someday, I need to get it on DVD.

I definitely see what you mean about Dollhouse. I've only seen the opening bit so far, but I was already pretty unsure about the premise just from seeing that. I hope it gets better, and I'll watch it regardless, but in the meantime, I'm going to console myself with introducing Cynda to Seasons 4 and 5 of Buffy.
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From:paraleipsis
Date:February 15th, 2009 01:54 am (UTC)
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Sometimes I look through old journal entries and see these great lines and wonder if it's okay to steal them for actual stories or books later.

Is there really anything to wonder there? I mean.
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From:ebongreen
Date:February 15th, 2009 05:21 am (UTC)
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Haven't watched Dollhouse yet - that's for tomorrow.

T:SCC I loved. <3. Sooo much dialog-goodness - not a wasted word, not a spare gesture, it's like really good Hemingway in my mind's ears. Just spot-on - even the momentary shot of the bloody pillow as they leave the hotel room was perfect. It makes me happy that such smart smart people are writing and performing television. *gushes*

I realize it may not be on forever, but I gotta take my pleasures while they're here.
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From:toastandtea
Date:February 15th, 2009 06:01 am (UTC)
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I am pretty great, i agree!

KYYYYYYYYLE.

Weaver killing the shit out of everybody was pretty awesomely terrifying. I suppose it's a holdover from watching T2 in my youth that T-1000s still kind of scare the crap out of me. Too many shiny pointy slicy things. D:

I hadn't been too excited about Dollhouse, and actually seeing the show didn't increase my enthusiasm any. The problematic how-are-we-supposed-to-connect-with-Echo issue doesn't really help. Pretty much all i got out of the whole thing was being really excited about seeing Helo half-naked and kicking ass. :O And maybe wanting to know why Amy Acker has scarface. I spent the first scene imagining that pre-Dollhouse Echo (Catherine? was that her name?) was Faith. It works!

It does seem lacking in humor, though, for a Joss show.

Yeah, that. Also too procedural? And i hate hate hate procedurals. D: Also the Dollhouse reminded me a little of Wolfram and Hart. I keep thinking of it in terms of previous Joss shows, which i probably shouldn't do. It's just too easy to fall into the trap of judging it all over the place before it's even gotten off the ground, since we have such fannish expectations of Joss. I always forget i didn't fall super in love with Firefly right off the bat, and it's my favorite!

I'm still catching up on season 4.0 of BSG. Ack.
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From:roxybisquaint
Date:February 15th, 2009 07:37 am (UTC)
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That sketch is pure win. It makes me really happy :)

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Yes, imaginary Kyle is totally awesome. Sarah/Kyle is dangerous territory to mess with, but Zack & Ash did an amazing job writing this one. I loved it. It was sad and sweet and OMG CUTTING INTO LEG - FUCKING OUCH! It all just worked so well and rather than being Sarah you need to remember the mission — blah blah blah — cut scene from T2, we got to climb into Sarah's head and know how much Kyle is still with her.

I think this may have been the first episode where I wasn't a little bored with the John Henry stuff. Playing with Bionicles, knowing all about each character, BALL JOINTS! I want to ask God the same question. :D

Catherine Weaver holy crap. Do not piss off the liquid metal lady! I loved the way they toyed with us in the bathroom. Oh please, she's going to be a urinal again? Oh wait, she's a sink this time. No the mirror. And then SLICE in the hallway. So fun. That explosion was a little cheesy though.

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I found Dollhouse mostly dull. About 20 minutes into it I started surfing the web. The premise for the show actually sounded interesting to me, but that was a terrible intro to a series, I thought. As long as it stays sandwiched between TSCC and BSG, I'll give it time to grab me better, but I'm thinking it's not for me. I like Eliza Dushku, but really, she seemed out of place n the part.

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BSG didn't bother me. Whether or not they're making all this up now, I don't know. But we're so deep into this show with only a few eps left, I'm just going to sit tight and wait. I think we all knew there was going to be back story exposition at some point. There had to be for the final 5. As long as it all makes sense in the end, I'll be happy.

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From:etherealclarity
Date:February 15th, 2009 01:56 pm (UTC)
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Brett and I both really enjoyed Dollhouse and were intrigued. I wasn't uncomfortable, I more thought it was interesting because I think it's really in the morally "gray" zone. These are, apparently, volunteers, after all. Sort of.
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From:dahliam
Date:February 15th, 2009 05:12 pm (UTC)
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I'd had to drop T:SCC when it was in they hyper-competitive Monday at 8pm slot, so this is the first time I've seen it since the 2nd season premiere. And dude! It kind of got awesome. Plus, Garret Dillahunt who I adore in just about everything he does. Happy to have the show back at a time I can watch it.

Dollhouse - I'm trying to remind myself that the premiere of Firefly wasn't exactly spectacular either. That's what happens when network suits get in the way. I'm not blown away, but I'm definitely hopeful for more in future episodes.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:February 15th, 2009 07:03 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, I hear you. I'll give it some time; it took me a while to fall in love with Firefly.

I'm glad you can watch SCC again! It's so good. Of course, how frickin' lost were you??
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From:super_hoodzie_x
Date:February 16th, 2009 12:32 am (UTC)
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I pretty much agree with EVERYTHING you said about Dollhouse. Everyone I know (including me...I know me.) was completely underwhelmed and even a little disappointed. I had to keep telling them "Just wait. It's just a pilot. Joss Whedon is awesome, it will get better. It will get better! Won't it get better?"

The lack of humor is really what gets me. It seems so stoic, serious, and mostly action. Like pretty much every other action show on TV right now. I've just gotta stick with it. After all, my mother's take on it was that Joss has a lot of things to set up for this season. There are a lot of characters and a lot of little plots that have to take place in order for the story to make sense, I think. So maybe when he's done setting the scene it will get better. I hope.
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From:soundingsea
Date:February 16th, 2009 03:27 am (UTC)
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I do wish I had more ball-and-socket joints.

So, just wait for Skynet to take over! Then your shoulder will be mega-awesome!

I mean, I wasn't a fan of the Angel mindwipe, and this show is like the mindwipe multiple times an episode.

Good insight (and since I hate the mindwipe with the white-hot intensity of a thousand stars, that helps me articulate why I didn't like the Dollhouse pilot).

Overall, I think the show does seem to want to tackle issues of identity and what makes us who we are, which are themes very dear to me, but it's going about it in a very uncomfortable-to-watch way, which is why it's going to get cancelled.

I thought it was going to get cancelled because it's on Fox?
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From:catatonia00
Date:February 16th, 2009 04:20 am (UTC)
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TSCC was good. Not eyes-glued-to-the-TV-good, but really solid episode. Sarah’s turmoil is intense and very watchable. Lena Heady really made her physical pain look real. Her veins and eyeballs were popping out and shit. I also liked that Kyle just invoked her conscience and her human insecurities. He was speaking for her, through her. The doctor’s storyline kind of veered off there unnecessarily, but it was still intriguing. Also, T-Manson is creepy cool. And oh yes, it ASH.

I have no particular predilection for either Eliza Dushku or, dare I say, Joss Whedon, but I enjoyed the pilot of Dollhouse. And was not one bit squicked out by the concept or its execution. Although I was severely pissed off by the rich Mexican politician (?) dude, who stepped out of bounds. He’s probably one of those VIPs who uses Dollhouse for the girly companions, right? Stupid egghead.

The show had a sort of Minority Report feel to it, with a dash of Wong Kar Wai. I don’t know how to explain that. It might have to do with the music of the opening credits. It’s very layered and smart and thought-provoking and sooooo doooomed. I hope they get to run more episodes before FOX pulls the plug. Yup, it's expected.
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From:the_partyman
Date:February 16th, 2009 12:09 pm (UTC)
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Terminator: Thumbs up despite not a great deal happening plot-wise.

Dollhouse: I think this definitely suffered from a messed-with or re-shot pilot (or whatever it was that eventually happened). For starters, as interetsing as the opening talky scene was, it felt like it was in the worng place and that the ep should have started with the bike race.

I think I like the concept and the themes they seem to be looking at, but it totally lacked that pilot-that-makes-you-omg-want-to-watch-the-series thing.

I would love to see the original Pilot Joss shot, I wougly wager it was a whole lot better.

BSG: So this was the very Special Exposition Episode? Glad that's outta the way. Loved the final scene. The show is called Battlestar Galactica after all. :)

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From:spectralbovine
Date:February 16th, 2009 07:10 pm (UTC)
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For starters, as interetsing as the opening talky scene was, it felt like it was in the worng place and that the ep should have started with the bike race.
Meh, the bike race and dancing scenes went on too long. I really liked the opening talky scene and thought it was a smart way to start the series.

"Actions have consequences."
"What if they didn't?"
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From:the_partyman
Date:February 17th, 2009 10:07 am (UTC)
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Crikey I didn't realise I had made quite that many typos.

I really liked the opening talky scene and thought it was a smart way to start the series.

I am open to future episodes proving you right on this, it just felt really out of place to me. :/

If I think of decent recent Pilots, they all seem to start with something vaguley exciting, followed by a wtf moment or two, which pique interest without really giving away any information.

This just felt as if it was gibing away too much information before anything had happened.

I've watched the opening convo again, and I liked the scene itself more the econd time, but that kinda reaffirms my feeling that it shouldn't have been the first thing we saw. YMMV.

It's maybe just because I was hoping for it to be OMG TOTALLY AWESOME, and it wasn't. Maybe it just isn't what I was expecting it to be. I am curious as to whether a re-watch will yeild further enjoyment. :/









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