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May 13th, 2005


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05:46 pm - Good News for People Who Like Good News
So, how about that Veronica Mars finale, huh?

What, did you expect something way more brilliant than that? Are you questioning your squeetastic love for the show? Haters got you down? (ETA: As should be evident from my tone in general, I don't mean to condemn the "haters" to hell or imply they hate the show and want Rob Thomas to eat raw squid. I'm just referring to their feelings about the finale, for which the word "hate" was tossed around quite a bit. So. I've added another fox1013 link by her request (on the coveted first word), which better explains her feelings (which, incidentally, don't turn out to be hate so much, so...oops).)

Fear not! The finale is better than you think. Note that neither of those excellent essays are blind to the flaws, but they embrace the more positive aspects and respond to some of the popular criticisms.

And now, a few reasons my fandom rocks.

Rob Thomas responds to his e-mails. I sent him news of the possible Arrested Development renewal, and he said he was spreading it around among the VM writers. If I was actually the source (that is, if he hadn't heard before I e-mailed him), I am so fucking awesome. Also, he ended with the same dig at Berlanti's claim that Jack and Bobby is anywhere near the caliber of Freaks and Geeks and My So-Called Life that went through my head.

jules_annayofietofie on the TWoP forums is doing a summer program at USC, and she was required to find an internship with a "film/TV company (or something)." She thought it would be way cool if she could intern for VM, and we all forced her to figure out how to go about doing it. She got a résumé and cover letter together (playing up her TWoP connections, of course) and sent them to Rob. Very soon after, Rob Thomas was on the phone with her offering her the internship.

And finally, I love our fandom because it didn't take but sixty-five minutes after the renewal was announced for outoffashion to suggest we send Dawn Ostroff, the president of UPN, flowers. It took longer than intended to get all the money together and the order placed, but this week, the flowers were finally sent. What kind of flowers? Lilies, of course. Casablanca lilies.



I wrote the message on the card since no one else would: "Thank you for renewing *Veronica Mars*. We really appreciate it. Love, The Fans [at Television Without Pity]" I think she added the TWoP part, but I'm not sure. I couldn't come up with anything clever and funny, so I went with bland and direct.

Oh, and a bonus reason my fandom rocks: we have ohimesamamama and cadhla.

I'm wearing my Go Pirates shirt for the first time ever.

So, check it out! I finally got metaquoted for being funny, as opposed to fulfilling alliterator's quota of not being metaquoted himself. And in the second thread in the comments, cerulgalactus and I receive the offer to be meta-metaquoted, but it hasn't happened yet. And I made a new friend, stimpson, who makes Get Smart references and doesn't dig up dinosaurs.

I sent off the third draft of my thesis. Please let it be over soon. Please, please, please.

In conclusion, Kevin Kline.
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From:snoopypez
Date:May 13th, 2005 09:51 pm (UTC)
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Oooo, pretty!

I'm wearing my Go Pirates shirt for the first time ever.

Me too. :D
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From:ohimesamamama
Date:May 13th, 2005 09:52 pm (UTC)
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MMmmmwah. You make my day.
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From:cerulgalactus
Date:May 13th, 2005 10:00 pm (UTC)
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You can bump that "possible" to a "2 more seasons".
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From:the_partyman
Date:May 13th, 2005 10:06 pm (UTC)
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So many YAY-worthy items in that post, I shall simply respond with a...

YAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!!!
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From:horsefacehannah
Date:May 13th, 2005 10:11 pm (UTC)
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I'm kind of in love with everything that isn't finals right now. So this post = eeeeeeee. However, I made the stupid mistake of getting my Go Pirates t-shirt sent to my home and not college address. It's been there, all lonely, for weeks.

I want an internship! Boo for not getting accepted to USC film and for not being motivated enough to send resumes and such.
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From:raelee
Date:May 13th, 2005 10:40 pm (UTC)
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Awww, love the lilies!
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From:tiggz
Date:May 13th, 2005 10:40 pm (UTC)
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i love the flowers and the motivation behind them. i so wish i could stomach threaded boards(and actually have time for them). *sigh*

also? i wish i'd ordered one of those shirts when i had the chance. meh.

how cool is RT? really.
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From:idreamofpeace
Date:May 14th, 2005 04:43 am (UTC)
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I have one of the shirts! Ha! And, btw, I can't do the Meet Market anymore (that's the one where you just talk to each other) and just scan through the others. The Meet Market has become too full. Can't. Deal.
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From:anaid_rabbit
Date:May 13th, 2005 10:57 pm (UTC)
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Lovely flowers. :)
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From:cran
Date:May 13th, 2005 11:03 pm (UTC)
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It kind of annoys me that people who loved the VM finale are acting like they're the minority and feel the need to defend their show from the "haters." The people who hated it are definitely in the minority, and we're getting attacked enough already, thanks.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 14th, 2005 02:55 am (UTC)
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I said nothing about being in the minority (for one thing, you know I didn't love the finale), and I wasn't attacking anyone. I was merely directing people to some posts that helped me work out my own feelings about the episode.
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From:sistakaren
Date:May 14th, 2005 04:48 am (UTC)
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Yeah, but calling someone a "hater" kinda insinuates an attack, or at the very least is kinda dismissive of their opinions. I think I'd be annoyed if you linked to one of my posts in which I talked about VM and you called me a hater. However, I know you and your sense of humor, so I know you didn't mean it in a bad way. I hope. Heh. :)

**even though I really liked this episode. Heh. I'll be posting about that soon.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 14th, 2005 04:51 am (UTC)
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Dude! I'm looking forward to reading that. Also, I'm going to edit the post to clarify my use of the word "hater."
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From:cran
Date:May 14th, 2005 11:36 am (UTC)
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Thanks -- that's it exactly. I've had to defend my dislike of the episode since I posted about it, and it's really getting tiring. When I said in my LJ that I hated the finale, I was just posting my opinion; I wasn't trying to make anyone agree with me. However, a lot of people who liked it seem to feel it's their duty to make me change my mind, and they've been starting up long arguments with me, writing big LJ entries where they refute my (and my friends') points, stuff like that. It's getting annoying... so I was more touchy about being called a "hater" (even though I knew it was meant to be funny) than I normally would be.
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From:dachelle
Date:May 13th, 2005 11:15 pm (UTC)
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Well,I was the source for Bob Sturm's reportage about the Arrested Development renewal on BaD Radio on The Ticket today, so there! O.K., it's not quite as cool, but BaD Radio is my favorite radio show, the hosts' love for AD being one of the factors in that. I've sort of become Bob's unofficial Arrested Development correspondent lately.

When are the Veronica Mars DVDs coming out?
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 14th, 2005 02:57 am (UTC)
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Hey, that's still pretty cool!

There's no date for the VM DVDs yet, but they want to get them out before September in time to promote the new season. Unfortunately, that means they'll be low on special features. They'll have some deleted scenes and a blooper reel, but that's about it. I can only hope they managed to secure the music rights as well, cause it'd be awful to lose some of those great songs.
From:harshday
Date:May 13th, 2005 11:20 pm (UTC)
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Dumb question: What does meta quoted mean?
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 14th, 2005 02:58 am (UTC)
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metaquotes is a comm for posting especially funny or deep things said on LiveJournal.
From:metabeta
Date:May 14th, 2005 12:40 am (UTC)
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But I actually *still watch* "Jack & Bobby."

In conclusion, Calvin Klein.

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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 14th, 2005 02:59 am (UTC)
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Hey, so do I. On Sundays. So shh, don't tell me what happened in the finale.

But it's no F&G or MSCL, that's for sure.
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From:cleapet
Date:May 14th, 2005 12:50 am (UTC)
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You're awesome.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 14th, 2005 03:00 am (UTC)
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Oh, aw, thank you!
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From:windthebird
Date:May 14th, 2005 01:41 am (UTC)
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I have been referenced! Must friend you now. :)
And cran isn't a haaaater.... even if she did hate the finale. Heh.
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From:dahliam
Date:May 14th, 2005 03:41 am (UTC)
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Dude, fandom got someone an internship with VM? That's awesome. Wish I'd had the guts to try something like that. Oh well, guess stuff worked out okay for me anyway.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 14th, 2005 03:45 am (UTC)
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Yeah, Little Miss BFF with Adam Baldwin and Michael Madsen.
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From:fox1013
Date:May 14th, 2005 04:25 am (UTC)
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Dude. I'm a hater? I totally didn't know!

I even got the coveted first word. Awesome.

Hey, any chance you could link to both of my posts on the finale, rather than just the first one? I'd love a discussion, and I don't know if people would want to poke around there.


Honestly, I don't know how sarcastic you're being; I've been on self-imposed non-flist journal-reading lockdown this week while I attempted to finish finals, and thus haven't read through your post on the episode yet. But just in case it wasn't clear-- yeah, I have episodes I hated. I've been vocal about those. I've also had episodes I adored, a LOT of them, and have been on the train of love since the pilot. I didn't like the finale, yeah, but neither I nor anyone I know tried to get anyone else to hate it. In fact, I wish I liked it as much as other people seemed to. I don't think there's anything wrong with having a negative reaction and voicing it, and it kind of worries me that the fandom may be going in a diretion where feeling like elements of the show didn't work is the equivalent of being a "hater" and not a real fan.

Dude, I don't know. I've been in this fandom pretty much since the beginning, and I thought VMars was filled with nice (if, based on my go_pirates involvement, incredibly dense) people who, even when they disagreed with my opinions, said a lot of shit that I ended up reading and really liking. Now I kind of feel like the devil incarnate for thinking outside the majority opinion, and... yeah.

*grins*

If there's going to be a great divide in VMarsdom, can we at least get into a big enough fight that we can make an impressive splash on fandom wank?
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 14th, 2005 04:49 am (UTC)
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I don't think there's anything wrong with having a negative reaction and voicing it, and it kind of worries me that the fandom may be going in a diretion where feeling like elements of the show didn't work is the equivalent of being a "hater" and not a real fan.
There isn't anything wrong, and I think you're getting the wrong impression. All I'm referring to with the "hater" label is the people who pretty vehemently hated the finale. As I said in my comment to you, I liked it but wasn't entirely satisfied, so I was reading all the arguments against it with my generally positive bias. Since I try to stay away from negativity, I was pleased to see the essays I linked to in this post, ones that made just as compelling arguments for the merits of the episode. I certainly don't mean to imply that if you hated the finale, you're not a real fan. I don't think that at all.

windcriesbitter's major point is that liking and disliking is very subjective, especially for this episode. If you check out my comment on cran's post, I found it interesting that I liked what she liked, disliked what she disliked, but also liked some of what she disliked. I'm not trying to start a huge wank here; I'm just showing people some different opinions. I'd like to keep our fandom off Fandom_Wank as much as possible, because as you can see, this post is about how much it rocks.

I'll add the second link to the post. In fact, that coveted first word will get double the linkage power!
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From:sistakaren
Date:May 14th, 2005 03:18 pm (UTC)
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Buuuut... you realize you're distinctly misusing the word "hater" though, right? It should only be used in cases where you feel like the person is making dumb/illogical/irrelevant/irreverent arguments that shouldn't be seriously considered. Hence dismissing the person as a "hater". You can't use it if you seriously regard their opinion, man! Most of the TWoP Crit kids are haters, for example.

And suddenly I feel like a Pete. Heh.
From:vandalisimo
Date:May 14th, 2005 09:46 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, the term "hater" is dismissive in and of itself. I definitely did a double take when I read it.
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From:idreamofpeace
Date:May 14th, 2005 04:40 am (UTC)
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Pretty flowers! I can't decide when to preview my Go Pirates shirt...

yofietofie better give us some good info. Well, if she's allowed. Of she can give it to us in a seeekrit lj community.

And you know what else is cool? Almost all the people you mentioned are people I "spoke" to on The Meet Market before it became inundated with nuts. I don't go there now, but these are the people I care about:)
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From:peri_peteia
Date:May 14th, 2005 06:02 am (UTC)
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I'm wearing my Go Pirates shirt for the first time ever.

Feh. You're so late. I wore mine on Monday.
From:hobviously
Date:May 14th, 2005 09:49 am (UTC)
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What the fuck, dude? I think I am the only person who has yet to receive her shirt.

WHERE IS IT. What kind of shipping did you order? I think I went with medium fast. All I know is it cost almost seven bucks, and now it's two weeks into May. DAMMIT.
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From:peri_peteia
Date:May 14th, 2005 04:50 pm (UTC)
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I didn't even get any special shipping. I never bother with that for Now or Nevers since it's going to take a month anyways.

I have no idea why your shirt wouldn't be there yet.
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From:alliterator
Date:May 14th, 2005 07:15 am (UTC)
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Dude, I metaquoted you because you were funny, not because of some inadequacy issues. Well, maybe a little, but mostly cause you're funny. And nobody else was around to metaquote you.

But that's pretty awesome, how Rob Thomas actually answers his emails. And you're his information about Arrested Development! Man, I was so glad when I heard that it might be renewed - I just started watching it at the end of last season and it hooked me in.

And I'm one of those people both liked and disliked the finale, for various reasons. All of which you already know. So I wont go into them.
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From:jules_anna
Date:May 14th, 2005 02:44 pm (UTC)
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your a sexy beast.
i'm just sayin.
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From:foresthouse
Date:May 15th, 2005 11:10 pm (UTC)
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GET SMART. Major love to that show. One time, I went to visit my sister with my family, and everyone was sitting around visiting, and I discovered they were doing a Get Smart marathon on TV...and then I ignored everyone but the TV for about 3 hours (before they made me turn it off).

I totally loved his steering wheel phone like WHOA.

In other news, I feel guilty that I haven't watched VM. I WANTED to, but it was so far in by the time I knew about it that I felt it was too late. *sigh*
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 15th, 2005 11:13 pm (UTC)
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Check your e-mail. ;-}

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