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12:26 am - The Beaver, It Done Been Left to Him
I do not recall an episode of television that fucking intense before. I'm still trying to catch my breath, and I may be shaking an infinitesimal amount. Kristen Bell said the episode was like a mini-action movie, and I love it when a television episode is a mini-anything (hence my love for "Spiral," another mini-action movie, and "The Price," a mini-horror movie).

I got to watch the finale with someone from TWoP, tophatter2, so that was cool. He brought snickerdoodles, the official food of Veronica Mars.

The first thing that struck me was the weird camera angles in the newspaper office. Close-up but at an angle. Not usual for the show. Not sure I liked them. And it was weird to have the end of the last episode feel all angsty about Lianne's return, but now they're a happy family cooking dinner to "La Bamba." I was totally suspicious of that clear liquid Lianne was drinking.

I hope we get more of Beaver next season. I love how he's like this wannabe 09er born into the clique but without the actual 09erness.

Looks like everyone was right about the Kanes thinking Duncan did it, which is good, because that makes a whole lot of sense. Except whoa, Duncan was eating Lilly's braaaaaaaiiiins.

Cliff was awesome. "Certainly there is another Kane family in Neptune. Boris and Gilda Kane, perhaps?" And damn, Keith. Ballsy move, breaking the story.

And suddenly Logan's airtight alibi is gone, so clearly he must be the murderer. Clearly. Come on, Veronica. When you jump to conclusions, you make an...ass...out of...wait.

Still, I loved Weevil's reaction. Loved him going to Logan about to beat his ass just as he got arrested. I loved Logan's interrogation, and the fact that he called Veronica, and Lamb mocked him for it. Oh! And loved that they used Garbage's "Bad Boyfriend," especially cause someone made a Veronica/Logan vid to that song.

Celeste is such a manipulative bitch.

Okay, and guys, one of the best scenes in the entire series, you have to agree: Veronica signs the contract. She signs it away without a second thought. She doesn't care. She shredded the results. Keith is her father, and she doesn't want to hear any different. No amount of money will make her accept Jake Kane as her father. She just signs it. That is how much she loves Keith. And then Keith fakes me the fuck out with his "Do you know what you just did?" And I was all, "No no no no no no." But then he says, "Absolutely nothing." And the entire world starts crying. I'm tearing up right now, but I was cheering like hell then. Thank God. I hardly cared about the incest business, that wasn't my concern, I just really wanted Keith to be her father. I know it would make some sort of nature vs. nurture statement if he wasn't, but I want that bond to be blood. That charm is genetic, dammit. vonnie_k is happy, I know.

When we found out Logan was in town the day of Lilly's murder, I knew he had something to hide, but I guess he...didn't? He just didn't want to be a suspect? And dude, to think that all this time, Beaver and Dick probably thought Logan killed Lilly. I thought he might have had some sort of indirect role, though.

And then there's this letter Logan writes that's supposed to exonerate him. Where could this letter be? Oh, I don't know, what about LILLY'S SECRET PEN? Or, oh, the vent thing. What about the pen? Okay, maybe the letter is too big to fit in the pen? BUT WHAT ABOUT THE PEN? I said at that point that if the pen didn't play some important role, I'd punch Rob. So, Rob Thomas, if I ever meet you, I have to punch you, just like I have to punch Drew Goddard for "The Girl in Question." Don't worry, it'll be a Veronica-type punch to the shoulder. But you're not allowed to pull that "Hot Dogs" cliffhanger unless that pen was actually important. Otherwise, it's cheap suspense tactics, and you're better than that. Or maybe you're not. OH SNAP.

The Logan/Veronica ship sinks like whoa.

Veronica goes Alias again, and although the wig is kind of crazy, the glasses are cute. That's right, take a swig of that wat—BOOZE. I love how this show plays important moments like that as if they're nothing. There was no close-up on the bottle of water as she reached to get it from the fridge. Hell, there was no close-up on the bottle when Lianne was drinking it in the teaser. Veronica was just getting a drink of water before she left, like any normal girl would. And bam. She knows. And it hits her, and she's already crying when she calls the rehab center. Another great scene.

Okay, Veronica dropping the tray was hilarious. I don't know if that was planned or not, but it was great. Very stealthy, my dear.

The vents weren't screwed all the way in. Did someone already look there? Why didn't they find the tapes? And now I remember that the camera showed a closet fiend who must have been Aaron, who had been interrupted in his search for the tapes. Anyway, isn't it fun to have Duncan be all animated?

The first Lilly tape was very interesting. Loved how she discovered the cameras just like Veronica had.

The second Lilly tape is where the episode lost me. Not lost me lost me, but lost me in that it couldn't be superultraperfect, despite what everyone on TWoP would be saying. Because when I heard that people were actually speculating that Lilly had had an affair with Aaron, I thought it was ridiculous. I thought it was totally out-of-character for Lilly. And maybe even Aaron. It just made no sense to me. And then to see it made canon was just...well. I guess Lilly liked her sex. But really, I thought she was better than that. Sleeping with her boyfriend's dad? This isn't The O.C. Then again, Aaron was a movie star. Everyone likes sleeping with movie stars. And that's the sort of thing you can brag about to your best friend.

And then we had Veronica play the entire scenario in her head, and because it had the different film-speed, I didn't want to trust it immediately. I thought, there's still room for her to be wrong. But damn, that scenario went on forever. Would Rob really spend that long on a fakeout? Could it be that easy? Why were people speccing the affair so long ago? Were there spoilers, or did I miss some clues, or do people just have sick minds? It's not that I think Rob made it up at the last minute, but it didn't feel like we should have suspected it. And Aaron was becoming really interesting! I didn't want him to be the killer.

And then the episode turned into a horror movie, which was kind of awesome in its own way, once I gave in to what was happening. The rearview mirror reveal? Aaaah! Creeptastic. And Veronica crashing the car? Damn, girl.

During that commercial break—so many commercials! why must there be commercials?!—I came up with an awesome idea: Lynn! Some people had specced Lynn, and now there was a motive! And how awesome would it be if Lynn showed up? It would rule.

Random house in the woods! Maybe Lynn's hiding out! Maybe it's Wiedman's house! Maybe it's Amelia DeLongpre! Throw away the tapes like a smart girl! The car door is open! Knock on the door! Aaron punches her in the face! Walkie-talkies! Refrigerator! Aaron is totally a psycho! Which, fun, but, again, it loses that interesting character development he's had recently. I was still hoping maybe he just wanted the tapes...because...I don't know, they could ruin his reputation more than it'd already been ruined? I wanted another surprise. Regardless of how unsatisfied I was with the outcome, though, this entire sequence was kicking ass and taking names. Fast-paced, creepy, suspenseful. Major props.

Logan's voicemail message. Nice touch of continuity. And oh, he's going to jump, fun! And Weevil's gang is going to push him off!

Poor Veronica. It's cool when they show us that despite her hard-boiled detective skillz, she's still just a girl, and scared out of her fucking mind. Damn.

Keith is the fucking man. Great fight, and holy shit, Aaron lights the fire. And Keith saves Veronica at the cost of catching fire himself. Don't die, Keith. Don't you fucking die. More great scenes. Like I said, all these scenes were fucking great, even if I wasn't intellectually pleased.

And Aaron gets hit with a truck. Nice. Oh, but before that: Backup fucking rules!

And then things happen that you don't even think of. Because all this time, Jake Kane really did think Duncan killed Lilly by accident. He had made peace with that. And suddenly he discovers that this big shot movie star killed his fucking daughter, and he goes apeshit. But then he's arrested for obstruction of justice, oops. Yeah, you forgot that you broke the law, didn't you, buddy. And thus, Keith is vindicated. Oh, Lamb was great in this episode too.

Hit the road, Lianne, you dirty booze hound. And holy shit, you fucking bitch, you took their fucking money?

Aw, Alicia.

Veronica says goodbye to Lilly. Which, aww. We'll miss you, Lilly, you big whoreslut (tm fishinginthemud).

And...what? That's not a cliffhanger! You can't do that! I'm not even going to speculate on who it is (I just assumed it was Logan since everyone loves Logan so much), but I hope it's Wallace. Because I love Wallace, and so does Veronica. They are BFF.

So, final thoughts? I was not one hundred percent satisfied, like I thought I'd be, which is unfortunate. To me, it felt like the Lilly/Aaron affair came out of nowhere, and Aaron's violent tendencies made him perhaps too obvious a suspect (although one previous opposition to his being the killer, namely that we didn't like him so there was no surprise or pain, was at least removed since then, since I think many of us were beginning to really like his character and wanted him to stick around next season). And I thought the killer was supposed to be someone we met in the pilot, not just mentioned. And I expected one final twist at the end. And I thought there were a couple loose ends. And I didn't like that Aaron went completely psycho, totally into the black without any of those shades of grey we love in this show.

That being said, I still think it was a kickass episode. Fast-paced, intriguing, engrossing, exciting, suspenseful. That was one hell of a ride, Rob Thomas. I can't wait to see what you give us next season.

(And if you never bring up the secret pen again, I will punch you.)
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From:jeeperstseepers
Date:May 11th, 2005 04:34 am (UTC)
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Wallace. Definitely Wallace.
From:harriettheelf
Date:May 11th, 2005 04:59 am (UTC)
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LIANNE MARS IS A DREADFUL FUCKING BITCH.

Dude, I am totally incoherent. That was a bloody whirlwind, and the first time I've cried at network TV since Joyce died on Buffy.

And I hope it was Wallace, too.

THIS SUMMER IS GOING TO BE IMPOSSIBLE.
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From:cleapet
Date:May 11th, 2005 05:02 am (UTC)
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I guess we're not supposed to think of the pen anymore? Not sure why it wasn't at least mentioned.

I didn't realize that Aaron wasn't in the pilot. But he *was* mentioned? It'll do. The affair really didn't come out of nowhere: Aaron was a serial cheater and it was established that Lilly was already cheating on Logan with Weevil. Or that he knew there was someone else, or something. I guess the movie star draw makes it self-explanatory but the whole boyfriend/boyfriend's dad thing makes it weird.

Glad you liked the episode. Was it Drew Goddard with someone else who wrote TGIQ? Funny how I keep blanking details surrounding that ep out of my mind.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 11th, 2005 05:08 am (UTC)
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I didn't realize that Aaron wasn't in the pilot. But he *was* mentioned?
Yeah, Veronica mentions that Logan's dad makes $20 million a picture, and we probably own his action figure.

The affair really didn't come out of nowhere: Aaron was a serial cheater and it was established that Lilly was already cheating on Logan with Weevil. Or that he knew there was someone else, or something. I guess the movie star draw makes it self-explanatory but the whole boyfriend/boyfriend's dad thing makes it weird.
Yeah, I guess. I mean, it's not out of NOWHERE, but it's still weird. Not completely unsatisfactory, but just unsatisfactory enough.

Was it Drew Goddard with someone else who wrote TGIQ? Funny how I keep blanking details surrounding that ep out of my mind.
Drew and Steve DeKnight, who I think wrote the good parts of that episode, with Illyria meeting Fred's parents.
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From:jeeperstseepers
Date:May 11th, 2005 11:43 am (UTC)
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"Yeah, I guess. I mean, it's not out of NOWHERE, but it's still weird. Not completely unsatisfactory, but just unsatisfactory enough."

And I guess it depends on what you consider "out of nowhere." I didn't watch the beginning of the season, so I don't know how unexpected this was, but Aaron's definitely creeped me out for a while. And after he drove Veronica home a couple of episodes ago, I even said he creeped me the hell out and that part of me was wondering if HE raped Veronica. Then, of course, he had his arms draped around HS chicks at Logan's party and that definitely made me go "ew." So if by out of nowhere you mean "within the past few episodes," then yeah.

And again, missed the first few episodes, but I'm not surprised about Lilly sleeping with him. The only thing I've ever been surprised about with Lilly is that Veronica was ever her friend, because she's always struck me as annoying and shallow. I guess we're supposed to see how fun-loving and carefree Veronica used to be, but fun-loving and carefree is different from what Lilly was, in my opinion.
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From:peri_peteia
Date:May 11th, 2005 05:04 am (UTC)
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I think it was Wallace at the door too.

And with you on the wondering about people guessing Aaron forever and a day. Because I don't feel like there was anything leading up to a Lilly/Aaron affair.

That said, my final verdict is the same as yours: completely kick ass.
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From:horsefacehannah
Date:May 11th, 2005 05:08 am (UTC)
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Except whoa, Duncan was eating Lilly's braaaaaaaiiiins.

God, especially with the chianti earlier.

And ITA with everything. Especially Wallace, I'd love it to be Wallace.

I wrote in my journal yesterday that I was 99% sure Aaron didn't do it.
I lose.
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From:therumsgone
Date:May 11th, 2005 05:10 am (UTC)
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Totally Wallace. Had to have been. Although, I still think that there's something a bit off. I bet there will be a big twist the first new episode, as this was just way too easy. Great episode though, I'm still dizzy.
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From:oddgirlout_x
Date:May 11th, 2005 05:17 am (UTC)
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I could not believe that Lianne took the 50,000$ check. That bitch. OOPS. Well, I was like... I thought she reformed... Gosh, I suppose not.
I am way dizzy too.
I was screaming all the way.
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From:staticmix
Date:May 11th, 2005 05:34 am (UTC)
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i was screaming too, and my parents nearly put a muzzle on me to keep me quiet. BUT HOT DAMN....!!!!!!!!!!!!
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From:alliterator
Date:May 11th, 2005 05:22 am (UTC)
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Yay baby!

I was slightly disappointed that the killer was Haaron, but the rest of the episode more than made up for it. I wanted the motive to be a little more complicated than "he want the sex tapes back" or something, because everyone was calling it last episode.

A group of other people where in the room when I was watching it and when Duncan was cradling DeadLilly, one guy said, "Is he eating her head?" And then turned around, all crazy with blood on his mouth and everyone was like, "Whooooaaaaa."

YES, SHE KICKED LIANNE OUT! That BITCH took all the money though! First she wastes Veronica's college fund and now she takes all the reward money? Fuck Lianne.

Last scene? It can't be Logan, since last we saw he was on a bridge about to get beat up by Weevil and the PCH bike club. I guessed Duncan, but it could be Wallace. In fact, yes, I'm saying it's Wallace.

Except for some things which EVERYBODY speculated on last episode that turned out to be true (I'll never go in the episode thread AGAIN! EVER!), it ruled.
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From:comedownstairs
Date:May 11th, 2005 05:33 am (UTC)
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but I hope it's Wallace.

I hope it's Wallace, but I think it's Duncan. I really hope it's Wallace.
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From:snoopypez
Date:May 11th, 2005 06:00 am (UTC)
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I'm tearing up right now, but I was cheering like hell then. Thank God. I hardly cared about the incest business, that wasn't my concern, I just really wanted Keith to be her father.

God, YES! That is exactly how I felt the whole time. I babbled something like that in my post but you made much more sense!

I'm so hoping the pen will be brought up next season. I mean, it WOULD be kinda nice for them to not have tied up EVERY mystery. Of course, if it's not mentioned again.. then it would have nicer if they HAD tied them all up. ;P
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From:blixie
Date:May 11th, 2005 06:02 am (UTC)
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See I have no problem with the pen thing because I fundamentally invest in a show for character development, and I don't feel the pen was a plot point (though it may well could be in the future), so much as a statement *by* Weevil to Veronica of autonomy and menace, he isn't her Wallace, he is a convivial criminal and he's got no problem jacking her when it comes to big stuff. While his agenda may occassionally overlap with hers it isn't the *same* as hers.

I also have no issue with the Haaron/Lilly affair/sex tape thing it fits the Lilly and Haaron I've been shown all year.

Oh, and yes, it's totally Wallace.
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From:idreamofpeace
Date:May 11th, 2005 06:24 am (UTC)
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I loved this ep. More than last week's. Maybe because I needed something black and white after last week's gray. My problems with last week have to do with the fact that she was all ready to make out with Logan after finding out all this shit about the night that she was, while not raped, at least unknowingly had sex for the first time.

Love this show. Love it.
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From:anonymous_sibyl
Date:May 11th, 2005 08:30 am (UTC)
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Except whoa, Duncan was eating Lilly's braaaaaaaiiiins.

*snerk* That he was.


totally into the black without any of those shades of grey we love in this show

Yes. That's it. That's it right there. That's why I was disappointed.

And you are so right about that pen!
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From:venomconfection
Date:May 11th, 2005 08:37 am (UTC)
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But then he says, "Absolutely nothing." And the entire world starts crying.

ahhh, yes, absolutely. i was watching with my roommate, who had heard me grumbling while watching last week's but had never seen it herself, so she was beyond confused the whole time. and i'm not quite sure that has anything to do with anything, but there you go.

and the pen has to come back. that was made way too important to ignore from here on out.
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From:dkissam
Date:May 11th, 2005 09:28 am (UTC)
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Because when I heard that people were actually speculating that Lilly had had an affair with Aaron, I thought it was ridiculous. I thought it was totally out-of-character for Lilly. And maybe even Aaron. It just made no sense to me. Why were people speccing the affair so long ago? Were there spoilers, or did I miss some clues, or do people just have sick minds?

It wasn't spoiled. I only really needed one little thing for it to have worked for me, like on a well-built mystery/payoff level. Back before Weevil cried at Lilly's memorial - or hell, even maybe during Logan's guidance counselor session - I needed Logan to reveal the suspicion that Lilly had a new guy right before she died. Like, Lilly always acted a certain way, got real distant with him when she was getting into someone else and he just had a feeling even though she denied it. Then the writers can avoid nailing the Weevil/Lilly fling down to any certain timeline, which they did anyway, so we can all argue about when it began. Was it recent or not recent? Was Weevil the new guy or not? That would've set up the idea of another guy without being too firm about it. That would've helped me feel much more satisfied with this payoff.
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From:conuly
Date:May 11th, 2005 11:06 am (UTC)
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Because when I heard that people were actually speculating that Lilly had had an affair with Aaron, I thought it was ridiculous. I thought it was totally out-of-character for Lilly.

Really? I thought it was completely in-character for her. But then, I think she's rather like my foster-sister, Lizziey, and that's exactly what Lizziey would do in that situation.
From:wilecoyote
Date:May 11th, 2005 09:52 pm (UTC)
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Exactly. I've seeing a few people saying that this reveal diminishes their view of Lilly, and I can't help but think: "dude, have you people *never* seen Lilly before?" She would totally do that! She's the do that girl!

(Came here from the VM community and Mars Investigations, BTW. Hi).

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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 11th, 2005 09:57 pm (UTC)
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Hi!

And heh. I wonder why I've never run across the Lilly/Faith comparison before. But the more we find out about Lilly, the more curious I am about the original Veronica, since she was so influenced by her. The Veronica/Lilly relationship, how each girl plays off the other, is a really interesting one, and it's too bad they probably won't explore it next season. Veronica's let go of Lilly.
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From:tiggz
Date:May 11th, 2005 11:27 am (UTC)
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i definitely think logan's letter ended up in the pen. though that either means that the letter wasn't quite as absolving as logan thought it would be or weevil just isn't willing to believe that logan really did love lilly and never would have hurt her.

i think it was wallace at the door too. it makes the most sense.
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From:ste_noni
Date:May 11th, 2005 12:49 pm (UTC)
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Maybe Weevil wants to confront Logan about the letter and will not push him off the bridge or beat the crap out of him.
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From:vandalisimo
Date:May 11th, 2005 01:58 pm (UTC)
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I was positive that Lilly had an affair with Aaron as soon as we saw those cameras last week and then I assumed that he killed her. I didn't actually think that I was right, since I hate mysteries/detective stories and I'm so bad at figuring out the killer. Anyway, I think it makes perfect sense that Lilly would sleep with Aaron. Lilly had...issues, and I think sleeping with her boyfriend's father right under his nose would be something that she would totally get off on. I think it made sense that famous actor Aaron would find it a total ego stroke that he could one up his own, much younger son by sleeping with his young, hot, flirty girlfriend. So, it completely made sense to me coming from both of them. God, I love Lilly. I'm so sad that we don't have her on the canvas as a living character, because I think she's interesting.

I thought that the Veronica/Keith stuff and the Veronica/Lianne stuff was by far, the best part about the episode. The rest was mostly bleh for me.

The only bad part, IMO, about Aaron being the killer (aside from the fact that it was predictable, given what we've seen of him) is that the Logan/Aaron relationship is the one thing that I found truly interesting about Logan. Good lord, I hope they aren't hoping to fill that void with a Logan/Trina relationship!!!
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From:ficangel
Date:May 11th, 2005 03:04 pm (UTC)

Here from Fox1013's journal

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I liked this episode as I would an hour of normal television, but I agree with you that as an hour of V-Mars it had a lot of issues. I get the feeling that there's roughly as much on the cutting room floor as wound up in the episode itself.

OMG, that spy pen had better come back next year. Same with Lianne's blackmail (unless we're just meant to assume that the Kanes didn't want her telling Veronica about her paternity so that Ronnie couldn't sue them...which toes hard at the line between "the fans aren't stupid" and "it's your job to write the damn show, not mine"). I want closure here. I can deal with dangling mysteries on 'Lost' but Rob Thomas has spent the past year convincing me that he's more than human and I don't want to be disappointed now.

Also, I want bruised and battered Logan, but possibly that's just my sick and wrongness shining through.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 11th, 2005 10:01 pm (UTC)

Re: Here from Fox1013's journal

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I thought the blackmail was pretty much solved. Celeste ordered the photos because she thought the affair had started up again, and it's also likely she was afraid Lianne would expose their false alibis, which would lead to the discovery of the faked time of death, etc. In any case, Veronica told Celeste to her face she knew she'd run her mom out of town, and she didn't deny it.
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From:windthebird
Date:May 11th, 2005 04:54 pm (UTC)
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The Logan/Veronica ship sinks like whoa.

Ha! That it did... or did it? I want it to be Logan at that damn door, and I actually think it could be, but I'm going to brace myself and pretend I think it's Wallace so that I can either squeal in glee if it turns out to be Logan, or try to convince myself I didn't expect him there anyway if it isn't. But boy, will those grapes be sour.

I'm happy to read another positive-ish post because, man, all y'all VMars fans hating on the finale are just killing me! I'm a staunch apologist and I'll remain that way (won't go into it because my own superasslong post about that wore me out). I can see the complaints and understand where they're coming from, but that didn't affect my enjoyment of this most-awesome episode. And now I can resume breathing, and living my normal life until fall.
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From:certainthings
Date:May 11th, 2005 10:55 pm (UTC)
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I saw that you had a VMars icon over on audiography so I came over to see what you thought of the episode.

It's nice to see a positive post. The Bitter Bittersons are very draining. They might not be in the majority but they are hard to avoid.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 11th, 2005 10:57 pm (UTC)
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Yeah, I know what you mean. Ah, polarizing episodes. So fun for the fandom.
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From:dgriswold
Date:May 12th, 2005 04:04 am (UTC)
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I loved the episode. Pretty much completely. Yes, I think it sort of falls into stereotypes of thriller mysteries, but there's a reason those stereotypes are around. I'm much more satisfied with this than last week's, actually, in a good number of ways.

It was good enough that Veronica Mars has become, officially, my second favorite show of all time. It might win first place if the second season delivers.
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 12th, 2005 04:07 am (UTC)
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What's your favorite, officially? Buffy?
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From:dgriswold
Date:May 12th, 2005 04:10 am (UTC)
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Yep. She's the one I go home to.
From:hobviously
Date:May 12th, 2005 05:51 am (UTC)
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I don't think the V/L ship sank at all. And I, um, am a V/L shipper, so I guess I would know. The fuzzywuzzy happy let's make out and ignore the world incarnation died, yes, but beyond The Pretty that wasn't why I was there. That was always going to be a fever dream of sorts. Veronica just forgets who Logan used to be? Who her ties are to? Who his ties are to? No. I do believe that Logan has *always* been attracted to Veronica and he reads as fixated on her from the beginning, but there are way, way too many issues for that kind of relationship to last. The V/L ship I'm interested in is the way these people relate to each other, knowing that they didn't just wake up one morning and forget that they used to hate each other and be horrible to one another. It's the one that is aware of how little each person has changed, as well as how much. That's what we'll see next season, and that will be far more compelling, even if they're back to sparring. Cos, well. Check out the namesake. I can't really say no.
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From:sinca
Date:May 12th, 2005 02:27 pm (UTC)
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I do believe that Logan has *always* been attracted to Veronica and he reads as fixated on her from the beginning, but there are way, way too many issues for that kind of relationship to last.

Thank you! I think the same and it's always nice to have opinions validated.

Also, I yelled out that the message *has* to be in the pen. Because I need to see the pen again. It's a secret message pen!

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From:marlo
Date:May 12th, 2005 06:35 am (UTC)
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This analysis was great! I laughed lots.

I'm curious what particularly happened in "The Girl in Question" that made you want to punch Drew Goddard (unless it was the entire premise of the episode, which hey, was pretty stupid except for when Andrew showed up wearing a Strongbad shirt).
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 12th, 2005 03:08 pm (UTC)
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This analysis was great! I laughed lots.
Thanks!

I'm curious what particularly happened in "The Girl in Question" that made you want to punch Drew Goddard (unless it was the entire premise of the episode, which hey, was pretty stupid except for when Andrew showed up wearing a Strongbad shirt).
Yeah, that would be it. It was too much of a farce for me.
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From:starspentswell
Date:May 12th, 2005 06:48 am (UTC)
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Hey... So i'm thinking we can all start watching it from the beginning... Slumber party at my apartment and we can see if we watch it straight through if it's anymore obvious. I'll supply the VMars and someone else bring the popcorn... then they can hold me while I cry like a freak of nature with hormonal issues in the 22 episode. Because I apparently fell for Logan Echolls somewhere along the line.

So... you coming?
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From:spectralbovine
Date:May 12th, 2005 03:09 pm (UTC)
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Sure! Except I'm in Michigan and you're in California.
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From:starspentswell
Date:May 12th, 2005 03:21 pm (UTC)
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Aw, but that >is< why they made transportation. Very handy.
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From:lodessa
Date:May 12th, 2005 04:18 pm (UTC)
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I think the clue that it was Aaron from the pilot was the image of the violence with which she had been murdered. That's the only thing that makes sense to me, since we know that Aaron is very violent. Also possibly the "psychotic jackass" comment about Logan, since he is Aaron's son. If it had been Celeste or something then she would have poisoned her or used a gun or something I imagine.
I thought that the affair with Aaron was very in character for Lilly (although I thought it was never going to happen when people were speculating too). In every flashback we see Lilly as a selfish little slut, who thinks she's invicible. Also Logan's comment that Lilly just loves guys. And we know that Aaron is a big slut. I think Aaron being the killer is actually less important thematically than his having slept with Logan's girlfriend. Any chance of redemption he might have had in Logan's eyes will now be gone forever.
Also: Yes I think the letter has to be in the pen. Also, I think the third tape probably is something a little more interesting than just one more of Aaron and Lily, which will come in next season.
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From:outpour
Date:May 12th, 2005 10:45 pm (UTC)
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Aaron was trying to unscrew the air vent when Veronica dropped the tray. That's the significane of that whole thing. Then, he hid in the closet.
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From:seawench
Date:May 16th, 2005 06:01 am (UTC)
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I was totally suspicious of that clear liquid Lianne was drinking.
It was obvious to me, but then I did go to an all-girls, Catholic high school which forbade water bottles for that reason.

The second Lilly tape is where the episode lost me.
It didn't lose me until Veronica said "I know what happened." There was still so much misdirection possible, even with Aaron as the killer. To have a clear solution that early on was what annoyed me the most, although I enjoyed the rest immensely.

If we don't find out what was in the secret fucking message pen next season, my brain may explode.
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From:sterope
Date:August 4th, 2006 07:51 am (UTC)
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Now I know what the "fucking spy pen" is! And you're right, I was kind of expecting that to be important. I pretty much agree with you on all points. It bugged me that Aaron went wacky pretty much out of nowhere. And I thought it was going to be Logan's mom who killed Lilly too... out of jealousy and rage. I totally called that Veronica's mom was boozing it out of the "water" bottle. She's a bitch and it was even bitchier of her to steal the reward money. What a ho.

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